Are we plateauing?

inanna_tarot

personally, I think its the lack of humour these days in most of the threads. It can be a bit over-serious and this just doesnt work with me at all. I have to laugh as well as learn.

And, I think over the last 10 years of tarot and my time here and I can see how we have moved and out-grown the trends of tarot. Whilst we have all lusted after the next amazing deck on the market, those of us who have done it for a while know that the 'must have deck' will be soon replaced with another 'must have deck', every thread about MRP says how wonderful the decks are but moan about how Karen runs it (Karen, I personally think you do an amazing job).

It all gets a bit, old hat... and so 'old timers' lose that initial love and thirst, or get busy with their lives. I dont think AT has stagnated, but that the oldtimers might want to try to reclaim their initial feelings of tarot which they associate with AT... and of course it is AT that has changed, and not they themselves that have stagnated?
 

euripides

personally, I think its the lack of humour these days in most of the threads. It can be a bit over-serious ...

Hmm. I haven't really noticed that to be honest... there's a couple of members whose dry wit I really enjoy! But I'll have a think about that too.
 

hunter

Is Tarot limited? :bugeyed:

Are there no new questions to ask? :bugeyed:

No and no.

I am just getting my feet wet again after my tarot break, and just went through a rough patch--which was what drew me back to tarot--but I think I have the potential to be more entertaining, soon. Sometimes my form of entertainment is the annoying type that is merely provoking, but it wakes people up anyway :) I'll work on trying to be a bit more creative in my question asking.

I think there are a lot of us that need to stop scanning the forums for an interesting thread to respond to, and instead ask a question.

Tarot is only as limited as we want it to be. We get out of it, what we put into it.
 

MareSaturni

Weirdly, I have a hunch that we get new people, new posts, "same old" question stuff (which I don't mind) but that people aren't actually staying around much.

It's been a while since a new face came along, provoked and stimulated us all and stayed around and became a regular fixture. Maybe it's just an impression, but...

My answer to this thread will be completely honest. You have been warned.

When I first joined, with my first account back in 2001, I asked VERY stupid questions (I was 13 years old). When I created my second account (this one I still use) in 2005, after my definitive return to tarot, and again, I posted a bunch of silly stuff. So, at some point of our forum time, we all did this, specially if we happened to be new to tarot when we joined. Of course, maybe people with many years of experience pre-forum did not feel the need to ask such questions.

That said, I always tried to research threads before asking a question that seemed a bit obvious. I don't think that reviving old thread is the best thing in the world, but I think that searching is important. Some people re-post the VERY same question that was answered not 3 years ago, but 3 weeks ago, and that strikes me as... lazy. Sorry, but it does.

After I became more comfortable with my tarot practice, I tried to post thought-provoking threads about the "hows" and "whys" of Tarot. Much to my dismayal, these were often met with violent rebuking and complaints. Sadly, we do have here an over-serious politically-correct culture that limits us to post that do not 'offend' anyone's practice - although we have thousand people here, with thousand of different practices, and obviously someone will always feel a bit offended in the process. In an ideal world, people would not take the discussion of ideas so personally.

But if you question the way some people do it, that's offensive, so you get angry posts, you are considered prejudiced, people whine and misquote you... And you get tired. You shrug and think 'why bother'. That, combined with the repetition of - no offense intended - "newbie" questions, makes it easy to "outgrow" the forum.

I think a lot of the "interesting old-timers" left either because they were "invited" to do so due to their strong personalities, or because they got tired. After a while you want to question things. At least in my process of learning, questioning everything is a part of it, as I refuse to work with dogma. But here in the forum, questioning the more 'individual' side of tarot reading, or talking about certain thorny topics, can offend people. So to avoid conflict, you avoid posting.

And we go back to the "is it okay to buy you own deck?" or "is my deck angry at me?" or "what is the tarot doesn't answer what you are asking?" questions. And here we stay.

I love this forum, but I do get tired of answering the same question 1000 times. That's the truth. I get tired of people asking "does X love me today?" questions every day and refusing to grow from there. I get tired of people spending more time lusting after decks than learning how to read with them.

Perhaps I am being a curmudgeon. Sorry for that.

AT has watched me grow, so I respect those who are growing too and keep my occasional forum-related grumpiness to myself. I'll answer the questions, I'll help with the reading, everything, because I like it here. But does it feel like we are reaching an intelectual plateau here? Honestly - yes.

EDITED TO ADD:

I notice that there isn't a "Beginners" forum here where the basic questions can be concentrated, thereby slanting the Talking Tarot forum toward a broader (and hopefully deeper) spectrum of topics.

I like this idea. But I do not think the problem is the newcomers... even if a Newbie forum was created, I bet the 'advanced' forum would still be filled with superficial posts. Why? Because the problem is in the general political-correctness that leaves a narrow space for provoking discussions... the obstacle is, many times, the orthodox mentality.
 

Lillie

I don't have much to say.

I've said it all before, twice, and then some more again.

Anyway, it's all meaningless. I have spent the last two days watching Lady Gaga videos, and now I believe that the Illuminati rule the world and we're all doomed to be mirco chipped and watched by evil rabbits.
 

gregory

May I, as a very new member, say something? I have been thinking about this a lot lately, how this forum works (or any forum) and what the best way would be to deal with it as a new member.

There's alot of "TLDR" that goes on nowadays, so I find posting a new thread to be more likely to get a response than reviving (and possibly hijacking) an old thread.

I find that when I started I had this fire to just blurt out whatever question I had in my head at the time. Now I monitor threads, use the search function, and sometimes find a noteworthy old post. Sometimes, typing in words to the search function that are a part of a good many posts gets you a scolding from the search function so I find it easier to just post and pray that no one fusses "find a new topic."
The two of you were the first people who came to mind when thinking - ARE there new members with new stuff to say...

So - YES.

And a mod (Alta, I think) had already posted once, when asked this, that a new thread was perfectly fine, and so was necroposting.

In spite of the rehashing, no one has really gotten on a high horse and trolled off newbies into nonexistence. I appreciate that. Other forums I've joined, I've watched people who had a spark of interest get squished into oblivion before they're even out the gate. Their welcome area may as well have been a turkey hunt :rolleyes:
Geez yes - a non-tarot forum I am on this happens constantly, and there is a thread where MANY people say "for ***s sake, if this forum is so unfriendly no-one will come... How is a newb supposed to know what is and isn't OK if they don't ask ?" (The search function there is SOOOOO bad that - well, yesterday - it has over 1000 ACTIVE posters... the same newb question spawned 8 new threads !!! all ended by a mod with "please use the search function !) THis place is almost perfect by comparison; if someone does blast a new poster, someone else usually comes in to say hey, be NICE !


As far as other forums? Yeah, there's other forums, but not of the same caliber. I... was surfing the other day to see if there was another (Yes, I'm sorry. You've no idea) but the one I found was FAR and BELOW the standard set here. Literally, there were just posts shouting out to members for a reading. Very little learning, no organization, just "memememe" questions about readings. Let's just say I came back here and ended my search very quickly.
Yes indeed.... :)

This forum is pretty complicated and I get worried when people generalize too quickly about how it's going overall. A handful of people saying "no" doesn't mean the forum's turned negative; a bunch of old-timers advising the same thing doesn't mean they're right. I've gotten some fantastic insights from newcomers, especially in the "your readings" threads, and I've changed my mind plenty of times after reading threads here. :heart:
Right on, debra. Everything goes up and down. there was a thread like this a couple of years back and then everyone settled down again. People do move on for all sorts of reasons - I am aware of a couple of people from here who actually died, or a few who just lost interest in tarot (shocking, I know) or who lost internet :)bugeyed:). Life happens. I have left other IRL clubs too, when the time to do that came.

Those who are here can make it what it needs to be for us while we are here; as memberships change, so do forums. Those who like the changes will stay; those who go off it will leave and new people will come. It's the wheel of the - um - forum? :)
 

le_charior

Anyway, it's all meaningless. I have spent the last two days watching Lady Gaga videos, and now I believe that the Illuminati rule the world and we're all doomed to be mirco chipped and watched by evil rabbits.
who said the problem was the lack of humor here in the forum? :)
 

NikkiB

I hate to be obvious but if you don't like an area, question, thread etc why not just not answer it...

I mainly am on here for:

a) the lovely people - supportive kind an generous people I have been lucky to interact with
B) Learn - so I particpate in reading exchanges and study groups
c) Focus with like minded people which is why I set up the deck of the week group
d) sometimes trading

There are areas in the forum I don't usually go on, I pick and chose what I answer and post on, if I am not interested I read enough to work it out and then stop, if it's a question I've answered before i leave it to someone else to answer.

As for the does he love me etc questions - let he who cast the first stone and all that... I came to tarot through a terrible depression, heartbreak and suicide attempt, I prob asked repetative questions a million times a day! and you know what ? it bought me back out of a place where suicide was the only option, it gave me a way of working through things, so what wa the same old question in a mind numbing cycle turned into self exploration that came with amazing answers and the path that moved me into something that resembled sanity.

So it may look like someone is asking silly, pathetic or same old same old but for whatever reason it's important to them and it may be part of something they have to go through to see the way forward, people find their way in many different guises.

So of course newbies are going to come in and ask the same questions, same as we all did before, if disinclined to answer someone else will, there is plenty of wisdom to go round here and plenty of people attracted to different threads...

So i'm not sure what the problem is?
 

MareSaturni

I hate to be obvious but if you don't like an area, question, thread etc why not just not answer it...

So i'm not sure what the problem is?

The discussion is not if the questions are good or bad, but whether they stimulate more thought-provoking discussions or not. Of course you are free to not answer any of them, but when you find out that you are don't feel like answering 95% of the posts because they are repetitive or just... non-provoking, that can be a problem. Honestly, it makes the forum stagnated for people who have been here for a while...

As for the does he love me etc questions - let he who cast the first stone and all that... I came to tarot through a terrible depression, heartbreak and suicide attempt, I prob asked all those questions a million times a day! and you know what ? it bought me back out of a place where suicide was the only option, it gave me a way of working through things, so what wa the same old question in a mind numbing cycle turned into self exploration that came with amazing answers and the path that moved me into something that resembled sanity.

So it may look like someone is asking silly, pathetic or same old same old but for whatever reason it's important to them and it may be part of something they have to go through to see the way forward, people find their way in many different guises.

Glad that it worked for you. :)

I think it's okay to go through it. I just don't agree with people are eternally stuck at it. And I do think that the fact ATers constantly help those who do that, knowing that have been asking the same question every day, is bad for the people doing the readings (who never overcome his behavior) and for the forum.

To each his own, it's just my opinion.

So of course newbies are going to come in and ask the same questions, same as we all did before, if disinclined to answer someone else will, there is plenty of wisdom to go round here and plenty of people attracted to different threads...

As I said, the problem is not the newbies, although I do think that 'newbie' questions sometimes have more prevalence than others. But this is not a problem per se - the problem is an overall mentality that keeps us from discussing more advanced matters so we are always stuck in the newbie level... (perhaps outside of the historical side - the history forums seem very active).