Tzaddi and Heh swap (split from "Is it really a Pelican")

Aeon418

the Fortress is La Fortezza, aka Strength or Lust, which is Leo.
I find it rather odd that you should partly base your ideas about I:57 on this. Personally I have always thought the "law of the fortress" was a reference to the 4 of Disks. In one sense it's a graphic image of the solidified ego. It is this same 'fortress' that the path of initiation attempts to transform into a veritable House of God. Unfortunately the 4 of Disks, like all other cards, has some negative characteristics which include: prejudice, bigotry, exclusivity, superiority, and self-aggrandizement. In the context of this thread I'm not sure if that is funny, sad, or merely ironic.
 

kwaw

Our Lady (of Beer)

Re; Achad's solution that Tzaddi is Not the Star suggests not just (or even?) a change of name but a change of focus in that the primary subject is no longer the Star, but Our Lady of the Stars (not, nuit or isis - infinite space and the infinite stars thereof).

(The association with 'Our Lady' has been made with that other Queen of Heaven the Virgin Mary too, as Stella Maris, the guiding Star of the Sea).

quote:
Isis

THE ORIGINAL meaning of the goddess Isis is still more difficult to determine than that of her brother and husband Osiris. Her attributes and epithets were so numerous that in the hieroglyphics she is called “the many-named,” “the thousand-named,” and in Greek inscriptions “the myriad-named.” Yet in her complex nature it is perhaps still possible to detect the original nucleus round which by a slow process of accretion the other elements gathered. For if her brother and husband Osiris was in one of his aspects the corn-god, as we have seen reason to believe, she must surely have been the corn-goddess. There are at least some grounds for thinking so. For if we may trust Diodorus Siculus, whose authority appears to have been the Egyptian historian Manetho, the discovery of wheat and barley was attributed to Isis, and at her festivals stalks of these grains were carried in procession to commemorate the boon she had conferred on men. A further detail is added by Augustine. He says that Isis made the discovery of barley at the moment when she was sacrificing to the common ancestors of her husband and herself, all of whom had been kings, and that she showed the newly discovered ears of barley to Osiris and his councillor Thoth or Mercury, as Roman writers called him. That is why, adds Augustine, they identify Isis with Ceres. Further, at harvest-time, when the Egyptian reapers had cut the first stalks, they laid them down and beat their breasts, wailing and calling upon Isis. The custom has been already explained as a lamen for the corn-spirit slain under the sickle. Amongst the epithets by which Isis is designated in the inscriptions are “Creatress of green things,” “Green goddess, whose green colour is like unto the greenness of the earth,” “Lady of Bread,” “Lady of Beer,” “Lady of Abundance.” According to Brugsch she is “not only the creatress of the fresh verdure of vegetation which covers the earth, but is actually the green corn-field itself, which is personified as a goddess.” This is confirmed by her epithet Sochit or Sochet, meaning “a corn-field,” a sense which the word still retains in Coptic. The Greeks conceived of Isis as a corn-goddess, for they identified her with Demeter. In a Greek epigram she is described as “she who has given birth to the fruits of the earth,” and “the mother of the ears of corn”; and in a hymn composed in her honour she speaks of herself as “queen of the wheat-field,” and is described as “charged with the care of the fruitful furrow’s wheat-rich path.” Accordingly, Greek or Roman artists often represented her with ears of corn on her head or in her hand.

Such, we may suppose, was Isis in the olden time, a rustic Corn-Mother adored with uncouth rites by Egyptian swains. But the homely features of the clownish goddess could hardly be traced in the refined, the saintly form which, spiritualised by ages of religious evolution, she presented to her worshippers of after days as the true wife, the tender mother, the beneficent queen of nature, encircled with the nimbus of moral purity, of immemorial and mysterious sanctity. Thus chastened and transfigured she won many hearts far beyond the boundaries of her native land. In that welter of religions which accompanied the decline of national life in antiquity her worship was one of the most popular at Rome and throughout the empire. Some of the Roman emperors themselves were openly addicted to it. And however the religion of Isis may, like any other, have been often worn as a cloak by men and women of loose life, her rites appear on the whole to have been honourably distinguished by a dignity and composure, a solemnity and decorum, well fitted to soothe the troubled mind, to ease the burdened heart. They appealed therefore to gentle spirits, and above all to women, whom the bloody and licentious rites of other Oriental goddesses only shocked and repelled. We need not wonder, then, that in a period of decadence, when traditional faiths were shaken, when systems clashed, when men’s minds were disquieted, when the fabric of empire itself, once deemed eternal, began to show ominous rents and fissures, the serene figure of Isis with her spiritual calm, her gracious promise of immortality, should have appeared to many like a star in a stormy sky, and should have roused in their breasts a rapture of devotion not unlike that which was paid in the Middle Ages to the Virgin Mary. Indeed her stately ritual, with its shaven and tonsured priests, its matins and vespers, its tinkling music, its baptism and aspersions of holy water, its solemn processions, its jewelled images of the Mother of God, presented many points of similarity to the pomps and ceremonies of Catholicism. The resemblance need not be purely accidental. Ancient Egypt may have contributed its share to the gorgeous symbolism of the Catholic Church as well as to the pale abstractions of her theology. Certainly in art the figure of Isis suckling the infant Horus is so like that of the Madonna and child that it has sometimes received the adoration of ignorant Christians. And to Isis in her later character of patroness of mariners the Virgin Mary perhaps owes her beautiful epithet of Stella Maris, “Star of the Sea,” under which she is adored by tempest-tossed sailors. The attributes of a marine deity may have been bestowed on Isis by the sea-faring Greeks of Alexandria. They are quite foreign to her original character and to the habits of the Egyptians, who had no love of the sea. On this hypothesis Sirius, the bright star of Isis, which on July mornings rises from the glassy waves of the eastern Mediterranean, a harbinger of halcyon weather to mariners, was the true Stella Maris, “the Star of the Sea.”

end quote from The Golden Bough

Appropriate perhaps, that Our Lady of Beer chose the son of a brewer as prophet . . . and/or vice versa ;)
 

Grigori

Appropriate perhaps, that Our Lady of Beer chose the son of a brewer as prophet . . . and/or vice versa ;)

:laugh:

On an issue only slightly related to this conversation, but it occurs to me that Crowley did in fact swap Aquarius, and says as much in The Vision and The Voice. However he didn't swap it with Aries, he swapped it with Scorpio (also ruled by Mars interestingly...). Though he didn't swap their positions in the zodiac, he only switched their symbols. See Hierophant and Universe })
 

kwaw

Appropriate perhaps, that Our Lady of Beer chose the son of a brewer as prophet . . . and/or vice versa ;)

A connection Crowley, albeit perhaps with tongue firmly in cheek, alludes to in his

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SAINT BERNARD SHAW

"It is permissible however to call attention to several very astonishing facts. The entire symbolism of the Jesus who died and rose again is astrological and mystic in its minutest points. The incident of the anointing, which is a regular part of any ritual, like the ceremonial purification elsewhere recorded; the "man bearing a pitcher of water" (Luke XXII, 10) which suggests {214} the Zodical sign of Aquarius; the command of Jesus (Luke XXII, 36-38); to furnish swords which were not to be used, however (Luke XXII, 50, 51); the ceremonial robings and crownings and scourgings; all these things suggest a drama and not a history; a symbolic representation of John Barleycorn; not at all the record of what happened to any one man, but of what happens to all men. . .

". . . For not only do I hold the cult of John Barleycorn to be the only true religion, but have established his worship anew; in the last three years branches of my organisation have sprung up all over the world to celebrate the ancient rite. So mote it be.
 

kwaw

Even if another iconography of "Strength" is used, without the Lion, thus freeing it from the association with Leo, Justice remains... well, the Scales, Libra.

This justification of strength/justice = leo/libra has never really held water though has it, in as much as there are other cards whose image is far more suited to a different astrological element but they never applied the same logic / justification to make changes to them (i.e., the sun would better apply to the sun or gemini, the moon to the moon or cancer - these too represent a mismatch between image and astrological attribution).

The two that co-incidently do seem to fit rather well are he/aries/emperor (the sun, symbol of kings, is exalted in aries, making it a reasonal fit for an emperor, a 'king of kings'), tzaddi/aquarius/star (because of its aquarian tableau, venus would be another good 'fit') -

so perhaps after moving justice and strength back to their TdM (astrologically mismatched) positions, a more consistent justification for making the emperor tzaddi aquarius and the star he aries would be in order to ensure their astrological correspondences were as apparently mismatched as the rest . . .
 

Aeon418

I bow down to ye mighty wise ones, but I fear the only transposition going on between this emperor and the star-lady has less to do with letters and more to do with clothes. . .
Remove the Emperor's clothes and Isis is Unveiled. ;)

Liber AL I:5(Heh)
Help me, o warrior lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of men!
 

RLG

AL I:5 Help me, o warrior lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of men.

Dwtw

So the Emperor/Heh/Aries/5 is the warrior lord of Thebes? Interesting.

Litlluw
RLG
 

Aeon418

So the Emperor/Heh/Aries/5 is the warrior lord of Thebes? Interesting.
You can interpret it that way if you wish. :) You can also interpret 'fortress' as 'La Fortezza'. But I'm not into "water-sports" either. ;)
 

Aeon418

How to help?

6. Be thou Hadit........ [the one that Goes :laugh:]
 

kwaw

She Nu It (He Had It!)

How to help?

6. Be thou Hadit........ [the one that Goes :laugh:]

I've Had It meself, had difficulty goin' an were none too pleased at the time (I know she Nu It, (that she Had It) but you laugh in retrospect. . . compassion be damned, all that's left is a good giggle after AL).