Minderwiz
OK I'll take that
No I don't need your birth details, Horary is completely independent of natal Astrology.
Horary Readings Round 7 - Questions
OK I'll take that
No I don't need your birth details, Horary is completely independent of natal Astrology.
Minderwiz
I agree with you that the table for Egyptian Terms in the article is confusing' It has five further columns for each sign, thus dividing the sign in to five Terms (or Bounds, which is the nearest translation of the term used by the Hellenisitic Astrologers). So for Aries, in the first colum after the sign is Jupiter. The number 6 in that column shows that Jupiter rules of to (but not including) 6 degrees of the sign. In the next column is is Venus but this also has the number 6 by it. It should be read that Venus rules the next six degrees, that is from 6 degrees exactly up to but not including 12 degrees. Then Mercury rules from 12 degrees up to but not including 20 degrees (there's an '8' in that column) and then Mars from 20 up to but not including 25 degrees and Saturn up to but not including 0 degrees Taurus.
There's also a mistake on the use of diurnal and nocturnal triplicities. In the example she says that for Sun in Sagittarius the Triplicity rulers would be Sun, Jupiter and Saturn but for Sun in Taurus the rulers would be Venus, Moon and Mars. That is not quite how diurnal and nocturnal work.
For a day time birth (Sun above the horizon) those rulerships would be true. However for a night time birth the order would be:
Sun in Sagittarius - Jupiter, Sun, Saturn
Sun in Taurus - Moon, Venus, Mars
Note that the first two rulers change places. For the Hellenistic Astrologers, the time of day when the birth occured was paramount, not the element of the sign.
Ronia said:
I agree that this is a better expressed article. It clearly shows the difference between the day and night births. From what I've read, it seems that the Greeks placed a lot more emphasis on Triplicity rulers than do medieval and seventeenth century writers. The natal examples towards the end are good, though I freely admit it's not something I've tried to incorporate into horary (yet)
The only thing I don't like is the use of the term co-ruler, instead of participating ruler, which is the term I've seen used most often and perhaps better suits it's role in the Triplicity.
Ronia
Aha, so there are more degrees in the first, I'll make my own table adding the degrees. OK... Is there a book I should look for to get a better grasp of the Dorothean, Egyptian terms and dignities?
I only evaluated my natal via the tools provided in the second article and it did fit actually. I'll try with a horary.
I only evaluated my natal via the tools provided in the second article and it did fit actually. I'll try with a horary.
Minderwiz
Aha, so there are more degrees in the first, I'll make my own table adding the degrees. OK... Is there a book I should look for to get a better grasp of the Dorothean, Egyptian terms and dignities?
I only evaluated my natal via the tools provided in the second article and it did fit actually. I'll try with a horary.
Yes the Bounds are not all equal divisions.
'Astrological Roots - The Hellenisitic Legacy by Joseph Crane is not too bad, with a chapter on it. You might also try Chris Brennan's websites for background and more detail.
http://www.hellenisticastrology.com/
and if you search for him by name you'll find a number of articles on Hellenistic Astrology.
Ronia
Thank you, I'll read it!
Ronia
Minderwiz, regarding this chart you read for me about three months ago: http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=3293627&postcount=100 as there hasn't been a reply yet (but I didn't expect one soon as I think the man has been crazy busy these days and the chart pointed rightly at delays), I tried to ask you then - you got the Moon trine Mercury by mistake, I think, as the Moon was in Pisces while Mercury was in Libra. Now, since the last aspect of the Moon would be trine to Mars in Scorpio instead, can you tell me what that would mean? If the Moon is the reply and it trines Mars in Scorpio, the Moon will be in Mars's terms and face at that point, I assume Mars will like and accept the Moon, but what kind of action would that be?
Minderwiz
Hi Ronia,
Hmmm....Yes I did project the Moon to Jupiter, where it would indeed be trine to Mercury but can't remember wherther I had anything particular in mind or it was an error. Better to assume the latter LOL.
Mars rules two houses:
The fifth and the twelfth, so it's signification could be related to either of these. Clearly a fifth House signification mught well be desirable as it would signifiy 'romance' a twelfth is not so good and most likely would signify something hidden, out of sight, happening behind the scenes, or obscure. By definition, that would be difficult to pin down to anything precise, other than causing uncertainty and being undesirable.
Ronia
Ok, thank you, I'll wait to see what happens and then I'll know. After the reply comes, that is.
After the reply comes, that is. Minderwiz
Ok, thank you, I'll wait to see what happens and then I'll know.
While Mars is naturally malefic, here it is in it's own sign of Scorpio so I don't see it as particularly malefic in this chart, despite being Lord 12l. Furthermore it is in the Triplicity and Face of Venus (your mutual friend) and the Terms of Jupiter (your significator). So I'd say that whatever Mars signifies, the outcome is not going to be disappointing and of course if it's romance.....
Ana's Song
Hi Minderwiz, as we PM'ed would you be able to cast a horary for my love life outlook over the next six months - specifically a reconciliation with my ex boyfriend, or failing which then what new developments are likely? Thank you.
