Tarot Beginners guide with Q/AS

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Mr Shah

Patiently waiting for your response :)

If you have not read through the other posts (that helped to define 'orange person' ; 'Rajneeshi', 'Sannyasin ' ) I mean - a follower of Osho ... or someone that practices his meditations and finds benefit in his books ( it doesnt have to mean you are orange or wear a mala or have 'taken sannyas' ).

Be honest now ...

Then I will tell you how I do my 'trick' ..... the ravenest powerful tarot trick ;) .
 

Abbas A Shah

Patiently waiting for your response :)

If you have not read through the other posts (that helped to define 'orange person' ; 'Rajneeshi', 'Sannyasin ' ) I mean - a follower of Osho ... or someone that practices his meditations and finds benefit in his books ( it doesnt have to mean you are orange or wear a mala or have 'taken sannyas' ).

Be honest now ...

Then I will tell you how I do my 'trick' ..... the ravenest powerful tarot trick ;)

lol ^^ Nope not a follower of them. Soo, how do you read without cards.. perhaps you use another tool, what tool is that? or you don't use any tools? would love to hear you out how you read without your tarot cards.
 

nisaba

I would like to clarify some things.
The guide was based on the results of over 200+ students who were trained under my guidance
That's obviously a "better" sample, at least in your eyes, than Thirteen's 2,000. Thirteen has real credibility and complete substance to her words, and doesn't have to do the showmanship thing to get respect.

You are absolutely correct that people can learn any deck. But I noticed with many of my students when they were starting out, they found it easier with the decks that had simple words.
And Osho Zen is the only deck that does?

Tell me, if when people start out they should be given simple words, how does a person start out to learn how to read simple words? Learning is not about being pap-fed - learning is about exploring something you don't know, and discovering its meaning for yourself. Any of us can get our students to repeat back, parrot-fashoin, what we say about a given card in the deck, but it takes a proper teacher to encourage the students to explore the cards for themselves.

For example: Seven of pentacles ( people were like, ah what's this)
Oh, so you're highly literate as well. I don't care what people are like, but if they ASK "what's this", did you encourage them at all, to look at the image and discuss what they saw? Discuss what things in the image might remind them of, what the colours in it might make them feel? Did you give them any handle on the depth and complexity in the card, or were you as a teacher satisfied with one word?

If you look at the two cards, you will notice the success card is much easier to make sense of compared to seven of pentacles if someone has not read the instruction book.

So ... I'm getting confused ... you're aiming your teachings at those who haven't read the book yet? There are thousands upon thousands of books on Tarot - is one right and all the rest wrong? How do you choose for them? I'm assuming that you couldn't let them choose, what with their pitiful judgement.

Again, I agree with you 100% Everyone is born Psychic/intuitive. And the guide does not suggest that people are not psychic, but it does suggest that one should train them self in a way using more intuition allowing them to increase their psychic awareness. But just because everyone is born psychic the world doesn't use the word psychic. The psychic term is mostly used when they have trained them self to gather information using their natural abilities.
Oh yes? And who decides when someone has been trained, or who decides if the trainer is good enough? What about those who are just a genius at doing it who have never been to Psychic School? Untrained, they can't be any good, though.

Any one who is developing psychic abilities, should know developing psychic/mediumistic abilities is a very natural, slow process. There are no shortcuts, the guide doesn't indicate that you will gain instant powers eh, because that would be totally untrue. But it definitely indicates that if you begin your card reading journey using more of your intuition, you will have more increased psychic awareness because you are practicing, and practice makes it perfect. Reading cards will greatly improve your clairvoyance (seeing) and clairsentience (feeling) abilities, especially if your more focused on your intuition.
<sigh> And, perhaps homophones.

This guide I wrote several years ago and it was used for marketing lol after I shared it I actually realized I should change it... I actually tried to edit the title, was unable to I didn't find the option to edit the title. To be honest It was used get the attention in the past. Not intended to mislead people ^^
Um ... I'm not sure I understand any of this. You're saying the thing is a marketing ploy?

Really appreciate comments/feedbacks. Future guides, will be much more suitable for all kinds of people/taste. Hope my post helps clear some of the things you mentioned.
Look, With all the goodwill in the world, you are probably an interesting person, and you might be a half-decent reader. Why don't you join our community, read many threads, take part in ongoing conversations and so forth? I'll be happy to engage with you. I've read your profile though, and around here it won't work, unless you're an undercover comedian trying to lighten our days <grin>. Many of us have been reading professionally for thirty years and upwards. Many of us have written books respected all over the world. We're always interested in new people, including new people with their own angles on things, but someone who's going to breeze in, tell us how to be powerful and breeze out again, leaving us gobsmacked with admiration? We might not be your most ideal target audience ...

But welcome! I hope your stay here is a long and happy one.
 

Abbas A Shah

You know the previous posts by people, had a lot of sense in it. And I was taking it and making appropriate changes as required. I was finding it quite healthy for the mind actually. But your post I didn't even bother to quote most of your post.

But your post Nisaba, was... lol.. no offense, next time before making assumptions, kindly PM me to get detailed information about anything. I really think you need to repost so you get your message across, at the moment your post seems quite aggressive. As I just 'lold'

PS: If you haven't noticed, I am already in your community.

Look, With all the goodwill in the world, you are probably an interesting person, and you might be a half-decent reader. Why don't you join our community, read many threads, take part in ongoing conversations and so forth? I'll be happy to engage with you. I've read your profile though, and around here it won't work, unless you're an undercover comedian trying to lighten our days <grin>. Many of us have been reading professionally for thirty years and upwards. Many of us have written books respected all over the world. We're always interested in new people, including new people with their own angles on things, but someone who's going to breeze in, tell us how to be powerful and breeze out again, leaving us gobsmacked with admiration? We might not be your most ideal target audience ...

But welcome! I hope your stay here is a long and happy one.
Is that how you welcome new users here?

I've read your profile though, and around here it won't work, unless you're an undercover comedian trying to lighten our days <grin>.
???

but someone who's going to breeze in, tell us how to be powerful and breeze out again, leaving us gobsmacked with admiration?
???

just look at your self, what are you even saying?? You make no sense, your making this thread look so strange, if you didn't like the starter guide, don't read it again. But hey, such comments are not necessary. I genuinely just wanted to help out anyone who is starting out, and if you still fail to see this. then bahh.

This is a forum, people agree or people disagree, end of the day its a learning process for all.

Moving on.
 

Eremita90

If someone wants a tarot card reading from you, I would always clarify how I will be doing it

When someone wants a card reading, many of them think you might be a trained psychic. They don't know the difference. And anyone who is learning how to read tarots, in my opinion should know the difference. Otherwise it can be misleading. Especially because psychics and tarot card readers both may predict the potential future. They are both similar but yet very different and many people out there mix this up.



Its a simple concept.


Every card reader isn't a trained psychic

If you have heard this quote.
Every medium is a psychic, but not every psychic is a medium'

Its pretty much the same concept.
And a very important one too.

I'm not convinced that you have answered the point D: you seem to assume that the distinction is both possible and relevant, something that I'm not too ready to concede, in these terms, o Gorgias
 

Wendywu

Moderator Note

Rather a lot of off topic posts have been removed. Please stick to the subject at hand, which is the guide detailed in the opening post and subsequent on- topic discussion.

Cheers

Wendywu
 

Thirteen

Well that's because all these students were especially interested in the Osho zen they had the option to pick any deck.
Then you most certainly should edit your post so that it doesn't recommend any deck, because here in UTC we stay general or Rider-Waite-ish. If students discuss Osho Zen, specifically, their posts will go to that study group rather than staying here. If you are an O.Z. expert, you might want to check out that area yourself and post there: http://tarotforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=129
Oh the 200+ students is indeed a small number. But its not the total amount of students I've had. Hopefully were not counting numbers who have had more students
You mentioned your number several times, in the guide and in your comments. If you don't want us counting numbers, why would you boast of your 200 students--and yes, it does come across as boasting. You can't use your 200 students to indicate O.Z. as a better beginner's deck, then ask us not to count numbers. Counting numbers is exactly what you're doing.
But it also a fact that they are specific ways to train your self during development to increase your psychic awareness. If you think reading cards will make you a better psychic (without using the proper exercises), good luck with that! There is a good reason why there are some card readers and some are psychic card readers. If you didn't know about the categories, now you do.
A fact? Um, no. The laws of gravity are a fact. This is merely your opinion. Rather like saying someone can't build up their strength without a trainer. A trainer might be an enormous help for most, but not everyone, and it's not a "fact" that a person can't achieve strength training without one.

That said, this forum in't the best place for discussing the development of psychic abilities and intuition. You really should take your point about non-psychic readers/psychic readers to Talking Tarot. That's where the experts gather and I'm sure there will be many there who will want to discuss this with you at length.
And ill definitely look into that, not the best writer in the world. But, if you read the guide without assuming things, its actually pretty simple and to the point.
Blaming the reader for making assumptions is like blaming a victim in a crime. It's my fault that your guide said things like "use O.Z." and thus I assume there's a bias for that deck? It's my fault that you say there are psychic readers and non-psychic readers and I assume you believe some are not psychic? I can't read your mind and see that you believe we're all psychic and you just mean "trained/non-trained." You have to say it, or I won't know it.

I know you're eager to offer this guide as a gift to the forum, but you have to know (being part of the community) that AT has many experts including writers of books and guides just like this one. They've all the same tips in their books/guides. AND they've discussed such tips here on the forum, over and over again. Having had years of feedback from posting such tips, they know how such tips can be misunderstood if not worded correctly. One of the most important things I've learned from such feedback is that is it unwise to pontificate on psychic powers and how to gain them. Doing so usually does more harm then good to those you're hoping to help, and undermines your credibility with your peers.
 

Abbas A Shah

=Thirteen;4150294]Then you most certainly should edit the guide because UTC is an area for beginners in tarot, not Osho Zen. If you really want to help beginners here, don't recommend any deck, of it you do, once again, RW is probably best as that is what is most discussed on this forum, and if they discuss Osho Zen their posts will go to that study group.

well that sounds fair enough, but osho wasn't mentioned in detail, and the guide clearly says you can use any other deck and the things mentioned was for ANY deck. How could u possibly miss all that? perhaps u didn't take out the time to read peoperly and just wanted to comment on things? : D But the case study with the 200 students were on osho, but sure, if its something detailed about osho, ill post it in the appropriate study group.

I didn't know, now I do! You could just tell me this way before :)



You mentioned your number several times, in the guide and in your comments. If you don't want us counting numbers, why would you boast of your 200 students--and yes, it does come across as boasting. You can't claim that your 200 students who WANTED that deck indicate it a better deck to recommend and then ask us not to count numbers. You've already done that.

Im sorry you feel that way that me mentioning 200 was me about boasting lol.. In fact you mentioned your '2000' was a real boast lol. You know, just think about it for a moment. If I really wanted to boast, I could have shared much more valuable information than '200' lol.

A fact? Um, no. The laws of gravity are a fact. This is merely your opinion. And it's not a good one. It's like saying someone can't build up their strength without a trainer, or worse, without a specific type of weight-trainging. This smacks of marketing yourself...and it makes you look like someone trying to scam newbies, not learn as well as teach--which is what this forum is all about.

This smacks of marketing yourself...and it makes you look like someone trying to scam newbies, not learn as well as teach--which is what this forum is all about
You have a thing for assuming things. If your suggesting I am scamming people. lol if my background isfully checked, with every little history detail, you might be surprised how much psychic experience I am keeping in my pocket.
I strongly suggest not to make such claims, that someone is trying to scam, when someone was just trying to share information that many beginners could benefit.

No one is scamming anyone. In fact if you open your mind and read the guide carefully without judging/assuming things. All the information provided is very valuable, it may not be new, but it has a lot of value in it. If you fail to see this.. then I have nothing more to say to you.

The guide wasn't about how to make it better or what's missing in it. But I do feel you have greatly misunderstood many parts of this guide, and its only because you are at a different stage of development compared to other beginners here, but its wrong for you to think, that the guide should be in a certain way, where people can share what they like based on their personal experiences, knowing there is no fix method for development, you never know what might work for someone! But even then, I have considered yours and other peoples thoughts and kept making changes. But of course, I wont redo it all.

(Its very easy to comment, I can assure you, you can make the best possible guide and I can come and still take out things to make your guide look incorrect its not hard because there are always another way to do things. its what your doing. The guide is for beginners not for experienced readers, all these things your suggesting, you really think a beginner would think so much in detail? The guide wasn't supposed to cover every single bit of detail, its really basic. And its the readers choice to follow it or not, no one is forcing them and nothing in the guide is that I find misleading, and if someone felt that way, things have been edited as required..

You really need to go to Talking Tarot and discuss this. You'll find there many who DID become brilliant psychics merely by reading the cards, others who trained themselves, and even more who have "proper excises" that are nothing like what you're likely teaching. Psychic abilities, like getting fit, can be achieved in many ways, not just "proper training" That is a fact.

LOL there is no one fix way to teach something, what's so hard to understand about this? I my self started with tarots many years ago, but I truly attuned to my psychic side, when I started applying the psychic exercises or at least when I found out about them But then again, there are so many ways out there, who are you to decide what works for someone and what doesn't? And yes there are specialized exercises for each of your clairs, your cards, or any other thing. You don't use the same in everything, you'll learn, but you'll just take longer.

You can train ur self through self study, through others or any other thing really that suits you. But everyone needs to work hard. The point is you still have to train your self to get better. Is that really that hard to understand?
its like driving a car, if your new to the town, you might get lost, if you have a map with a step by step instruction, you will reach there with ease. If you don't, you'll still get there but will take long till you find your way around. Same with psychics, you can develop using proven methods, or you can try things ur self, either way you'll develop, the time , practice and the quality will matter here. Decision is yours.

If you use 'Google' for your education, then naturally you wouldn't know about the advanced techniques that are being used by the top Psychic/mediums in todays time, and in the top psychic training schools. But this doesn't mean you cannot develop your psychic ability by ur self.


Blaming the reader for making assumptions is like blaming a victim in a crime. It's my fault that your guide said things like "use O.Z." and thus I assume there's a bias for that deck? It's my fault that you say there are psychic readers and non-psychic readers and I assume you mean that without training we can't be psychic?

I think your assuming to much, people can use what ever they like. No one is imposing restrictions on anyone. Ive told you before, people can read it, follow it if they 'feel' this will suit them, if not they can do something else.. Isn't that what everyone does? And I have mentioned in my previous post, everyone is psychic, but to enhance good psychic ability you need to train your self, reading cards isn't enough and the process is slow. Different techniques must be applied to see what suits a student.


I know you're eager to offer this guide as a gift to the forum, but you're offering it as if you're telling us things we don't know, stuff that is new and different. None of it is. And key parts are written in a way that carry troublesome implications. We can't read your mind, only your words. No guide pontificating on psychic powers and how to gain them should be other than very carefully and precisely written.

Otherwise wrong assumptions will abound, and you'll do more harm than good.
I disagree, nothing in the guide is harmful to anyone, its completely safe and the methods have been tested time and time again before it was posted. Your being too negative about it
And as far as the gift is concerned, it indeed is. And it may not be for you, but it could be for someone else.

I know you're eager to offer this guide as a gift to the forum, but you're offering it as if you're telling us things we don't know, stuff that is new and different.

I like how you are speaking for the thousands of people on this forum, You may know doesn't mean everyone does. As far as new is concerned, nothing is new now days, everything's old. People can always do a bit of research them self if they feel something isn't enough.

Seems like you were expecting a perfect guide, that includes everything in it. If you haven't noticed this was just the first part, perhaps if you were patient enough, you would be able to see what's to come, and perhaps had more deep details about things?

and a TIP for YOU. next time you want to help someone out, try using the PM first, instead of creating unnecessary negativity.

End of the day, if you truly wanted to help to make the guide better, you could simply PM me and tell me to make the necessary changes if YOU thought it was misleading in some ways when it was not intended that way, even though in my view the guide is pretty simple and good for someone who's completely new I still kept on editing as required. Or simply to let me know that this guide was not suitable for this section. that's it. And I would have done it. But no, you decided to take this to another level. nice job! What have I learned from you? Nothing to be honest. Except you trying so hard to make the guide look so bad, when it has 100% genuine, real information with proven tested ways, the more intuitive card reading way.

The guide is really basic, no expert stuff in it, no deep teachings, just simple how to start of and to answer the basic questions what people may ask. This was never complicated like you make it sound.

You read it, if u like it, you follow it, if you don't, then don't follow it. Its that simple.
 

Abbas A Shah

Then you most certainly should edit your post so that it doesn't recommend any deck, because here in UTC we stay general or Rider-Waite-ish. If students discuss Osho Zen, specifically, their posts will go to that study group rather than staying here. If you are an O.Z. expert, you might want to check out that area yourself and post there: http://tarotforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=129

Im wondering why it took u soo long to tell me this? You could PM me right away when this guide was posted and I would take action.


That said, this forum in't the best place for discussing the development of psychic abilities and intuition. You really should take your point about non-psychic readers/psychic readers to Talking Tarot. That's where the experts gather and I'm sure there will be many there who will want to discuss this with you at length.

Again, it took u so long to tell me this? were almost at the 5th page. If you had suggestions to make it better, u could just tell me this way before in a more appropriate way (using pm) without causing confusing to people who are COMPLETLY NEW and who may be reading this. In all honestly, you haven't helped at all. In the end, now you decide to tell me.. LOL really?

This guide is indeed more of a intuitive way of reading which CAN be used on any deck, I am still new, wasn't sure where to post. Since there are no titles for psychics/intuitive or similar stuff that would enable me to go there and post.

Now that I know, future postings related to psychic, osho or similar things will be posted in the talking tarot as suggested.

A simple thank you to a new member who just joined and wanted to share/help out new users would be so much better, didn't agree with the guide? had suggestions? you could have just used the PM to tell me, so I would make the changes, or post it in the correct section. was this that hard to do? I don't think so.
Its an approach that I would personally use so no one gets offended in the process.

Oh well, whats done is done now.
Moving on
 

pandap

I was somewhat concerned there would be a catch with your "guide". The way it was written gave me the impression you were going to try and sell something. If I was incorrect in my assumptions, I apologise.

Putting that aside, I am trying to learn to read the cards, and have actually purchased a couple of books on psychic reading of the Tarot.

I am open to learn whatever I can, so am interested in your next part to the guide.