Are some decks more likely than others to hold onto energies?

[Barleywine]

All decks are made the same sort of way, so I think it depends on the energy that is around rather than the way they hold energies. I don't think they are the same as crystals or gem stones.

This makes sense to me.

 

[MandMaud]

Intersting MandMaud...

I don't think it's the decks - I think it's the person that's handled, and is handling them
(the deck doesn't cling to the energies - the energies cling to the deck, and the sensitive may tune into and perceive these accordingly), and so IMO I don't think some decks are more succeptible than others.

Hm...

I think you're saying that the energies cling to any deck, equally? So a person who picks them up will pick them up equally from any deck that has been handled by person X who passed those energies to it... would have passed them to any deck? Could be...

If you lean towards the ethereal and "tuning in" to the biomagnetic frequencies of life, then
perhaps you begin to pick up the wavelength of the person who has used your (for want of a better word) tainted deck (no idea how that works - though I've seen some interesting psychometry).
And it is you - who can dissolve this connection.
As Violetdaisy says - the more detached one can become, the more the cards just stay cards.

I think picking up the "wavelength" of the hypothetical previous person is probably what's happening. I'm absolutely sure that some readers/sitters will leave energies in/around a deck more than others do, and some will be more aware of that as well. And able to cleanse them (dissolve the connection, as you say). But this isn't helping with the question of whether it's some decks more than others. I see your point.

Beginning to think about what put this in my mind and why I originally wondered if it is something inherent in a deck. Bear with me if I make a leap that doesn't seem to connect (it connects by the end of the paragraph!)... in many discussions about specific decks, readers will agree that one or another is very readable; or very sensitive to the sitter's emotions; better for romance OR finance OR health questions, or whatever etc etc. This sounds like some decks are more prone to X energies or to Y energies. BUT on consideration, discussions about specific decks are self-screening - readers who don't get along with that deck won't (I'm generalising) be in the dicsussion in the first place. So what sounds like a characteristic of the deck may be a characteristic of people who like using it.

Hm, againly...

 

[MandMaud]

I'm more interested in and enthusiastic about the mind-to-mind exchange of ethereal energies than in one that's mediated by any kind of object. Cards and token objects just provide a focal point for the dialogue, a convenient meeting-place where those energies can share a common vocabulary. I believe that once the cards are gathered up and put away, and the sitter walks out the door, those invested energies depart. A long-revered "holy object" could be a different matter, but a divination tool seems more utilitarian than spiritual (unless we happen to make our own instead of using a commercially mass-produced one).

I see your point and (to me) it makes sense up to a point. You do think a long-revered object could possibly hold energies and so perhaps it's the very same thing to a much lesser degree? Sometimes a reading is dealing in very intense energy/ies.

I don't personally think it needs to be objects with particularly spiritual uses. I've had second-hand clothes that had a "feel", and other things. Then what about things like teddy bears and comfort blankets? Very young (esp. pre-verbal) children are likely to connect energetically in a much less inhibited way than the rest of us, at least I think so. I know I can pick up a teddy bear in a charity shop, and some immediately feel like very loved creatures, whereas others feel less personal, and it isn't just how threadbare they are. Come to that, some children emanate "cuddled" when you get close enough, a much stronger signal (feel) than most.

Whether this is something the brain picks up subliminally but from clues that would be measurable and definable if we only knew which clues they were (and may one day be measured and defined), or whether it is a different kind of magical / spiritual energy beyond the electromagnetic spectrum or the olfactory sense or whatever may be involved... I haven't a clue.

 

[MandMaud]

I'm more interested in and enthusiastic about the mind-to-mind exchange of ethereal energies than in one that's mediated by any kind of object. Cards and token objects just provide a focal point for the dialogue, a convenient meeting-place where those energies can share a common vocabulary. I believe that once the cards are gathered up and put away, and the sitter walks out the door, those invested energies depart. A long-revered "holy object" could be a different matter, but a divination tool seems more utilitarian than spiritual (unless we happen to make our own instead of using a commercially mass-produced one).

I see your point and (to me) it makes sense up to a point. You do think a long-revered object could possibly hold energies and so perhaps it's the very same thing to a much lesser degree? Sometimes a reading is dealing in very intense energy/ies.

I don't personally think it needs to be objects with particularly spiritual uses. I've had second-hand clothes that had a "feel", and other things. Then what about things like teddy bears and comfort blankets? Very young (esp. pre-verbal) children are likely to connect energetically in a much less inhibited way than the rest of us, at least I think so. I know I can pick up a teddy bear in a charity shop, and some immediately feel like very loved creatures, whereas others feel less personal, and it isn't just how threadbare they are. Come to that, some children emanate "cuddled" when you get close enough, a much stronger signal (feel) than most.

Whether this is something the brain picks up subliminally but from clues that would be measurable and definable if we only knew which clues they were (and may one day be measured and defined), or whether it is a different kind of magical / spiritual energy beyond the electromagnetic spectrum or the olfactory sense or whatever may be involved... I haven't a clue.

 

[Tanga]

Hm...
... in many discussions about specific decks, readers will agree that one or another is very readable; or very sensitive to the sitter's emotions; better for romance OR finance OR health questions, or whatever etc etc. This sounds like some decks are more prone to X energies or to Y energies. BUT on consideration, discussions about specific decks are self-screening - readers who don't get along with that deck won't (I'm generalising) be in the dicsussion in the first place. So what sounds like a characteristic of the deck may be a characteristic of people who like using it.

Hm, againly...

It's not the deck. It's our perception IMO (the sum of experience and cultural and personal
learning within us etc.)
If in our culture "romance" or "finance" are seen with specific markers and images - and someone comes along and produces a deck incorporating these - then for a lot of readers those particular decks will "lend" themselves to that sort of reading theme.
...Have a "romantic" style immagery deck for love readings for instance.

And so whether it's "one deck more than another" - might also be because of how we perceive them.
A majority might agree - that the Thoth Tarot with the "fuzzy green borders" - limited number produced (as a mis-print possibly) which someone decided had a "spooky" edge to it - is spooky. See.
A majority may decide - that Barbara G Walker's Tarot deck is creepy. But to me - it isn't. See.
Etc.

 

[tarotlova]

My first deck was Titania's Fortune Cards a Lenormand based deck, I bonded incredibly with that deck, got amazingly accurate readings from it and then, well, it went off somehow. The readings were all doom and gloom and just didn't work anymore for a better word and this was after years of use. I kept them out of sentimentality but this year I threw them away in the recycle bin, I use Ciro's Reviere now almost exclusively but one day I might buy another Titania deck I do have it on my Orphalese program. I have never cleansed any of my decks, never felt the need too but I would never buy a second hand one I like the brand new feeling. This was the only deck that went weird like this anyone want to take a stab at why in your opinion.

 

[nisaba]

1. Do some decks shrug off these energies more quickly, are others more "sticky"?

I think some *readers* are more "sticky", as you call it. If you know-and-assume your decks are clean without even having to think about it, they really, really are.

2. Are some decks more prone to picking up energies in the first place?

Again, if you are worried that a given deck might pick up more energy, it will.

 

[MandMaud]

Sorry I dropped this thread after setting it up! Found myself in a phase of not getting to AT much, just as I'd got into this. I notice two things mainly:

1. People assuming that I am (or anyone would be) concerned if a deck does pick up energies. Personally I don't think it a negative or positive thing, the energies can be bad or good, and can in some cases help the readings work better rather than "weighting" them (in my experience).

2. The majority of opinion seems to be that it's the reader rather than the deck. OK, that's a tentative conclusion. Doesn't explain why one reader may find it happens more with certain decks... but overall, there don't seem to be certain decks that are found to have energies cling to them more than other decks, by most/all readers who notice that kind of thing.

 

[Grizabella]

Intersting MandMaud...

@Grizabella - why would you assume that whatever deck a medium handles will at some point pick up "darker energies" ?

I guess I didn't explain it right. It wouldn't exclusively be dark energies that a deck might hold onto, but any energy at all whether good or bad. And a Tarot reader doesn't necessarily try to contact spirits while a medium does do that so if they were to use a deck in conjunction with summoning or contacting spirits, then the deck might retain the energy of the spirits that were contacted by the medium. As I understand it, when working with spirits there can be trickster spirits who try to crowd in on the deal.

I didn't mean that mediums are automatically going to bring evil energy just because they're a medium. What I was saying is that just by itself, the deck wouldn't bring spirits whether good or bad, without the intent of the user.

 

[MandMaud]

Are you assuming all energies are (from) spirits? I don't think so.

The reason I don't think so is that I do sense energies easily, but I very rarely sense spirits are around. To me it feels like energies that aren't to do with any spirit. Of course it may be that I haven't got the sensitivity for spirits, and am feeling their energies without realising that's where the energies are from.

I have to say that the few times I have felt spirits around, they haven't felt the same as the kinds of energies I'm used to feeling. I don't think of them as the same thing or necessarily going together.