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Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 31 Mar 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



MichaelS  31 Mar 2002 
OK, I'm not as experienced with Tarot as most of you here. I've read off and on for a few years, but only became serious a few months ago. I'm relatively happy with my results and am seeing meaning in the cards (I like the Hanson-Roberts deck).

Problem: I'm not sure that I'm progressing. The further I go, the less I feel I know. I'd start deluging you with questions, but I'm not sure that I know enough to intelligently compose one.

Is this a common problem, or am I really going backward? 


Umbrae  31 Mar 2002 
The more you learn, the less you know.
If you feel you are moving backwards, you are on track.
When you feel you 'know", you'll be no longer of this world. Enjoy your journey. 


kayne  01 Apr 2002 
Ask *any* question someone here will be able to answer them! There are no silly questions... I have been told time and again here :p

I really got a firmer understanding of tarot by reading for others and making my own cards...

Go on the :TFOOL 's journey - take the leap and ask!!! 


Jenny-Li  01 Apr 2002 
I agree with Umbrae - the more you learn about this the more you realize there is to find out. But don't panic - that's the best thing about this, if you ask me...! *laugh*

Think of all the stuff you've taken interest in before*) - as a kid maybe or even as an adult, and done for some time, and then after a while it's just no fun anymore, because it's not taking you anywhere...! Well, with this you can go on and on for many years, and still not be "done" with it! Isn't that great? :-)

I can promise you, you're not moving backwards. But learning the Tarot is not something that can me rushed. (I can agree that I've felt the same way you do, it'll pass and you'll realize that the whole learning process is completely individual, you may know stuff already that others won't have figured out until they've been doing this for decades, because what we learn and what we focus upon is so individual.

/Jenny :-)


*) Here I go, presuming you work just like me... I hope you know what I mean anyway...! 


wigwag  01 Apr 2002 
You are definitely progressing and Ill tell you why.

There are four stages to learning anything including Tarot.

Stage 1. You don't know what you don't know - that means that you don't know how much you need to learn and are in ignorant bliss and happy to go forward.

Stage 2. You know what you don't know. - Now you are aware that there is a lot more to learn than you first thought and begin to feel as if you know nothing BUT you have learnt more than when you first started out.

Stage 3. You don't know what you know. - This means that you have learnt a lot but don't feel as if you have or don't think you are good enough. Again you have learnt more but feel as if you learnt less.

Stage 4. You know what you know. - This is when you feel you are confident in something. Like driving without having to think about what you are doing.

I think you are at stage 2 or 3, so you see you are progressing along the path. Have faith in yourself. 


Lion-O  01 Apr 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by MichaelS
Problem: I'm not sure that I'm progressing. The further I go, the less I feel I know. I'd start deluging you with questions, but I'm not sure that I know enough to intelligently compose one.

I agree with the rest of the guys; the more you know the more questions pop into your mind. Still; there has to be something which gives you the feeling that you don't progress as much or as fast as you expected; could you please elaborate a bit ?

As with the Tarot itself the steps of progress and the way of progress is also very personal IMO. Skimming through these forums I've seen people who, after using the cards for a year, finally discover they didn't need their booklet to get the meaning of the cards just like I've seen others who discovered that using a second or third deck works for them just as well as their first after a few months. Does this mean the latter made a better or faster progress then the first ? IMO it does not; they both made progress which basicly is all there is to Tarot. Its not a game, its not a competition, its about the people using the cards and put them to good use and feel good about it by doing so. It certainly is not a predefined road which you need to take in order to be entitled to some title denoting you a Tarot Zen (or whatever ;)).

So I'm really curious as to what progress you were expecting to make... 


Original Destiny  01 Apr 2002 
HI, I've been working WITH the Tarot for over 25 Years!! and it is still teaching me!!!!:TWOR 


MichaelS  01 Apr 2002 
Quote:
So I'm really curious as to what progress you were expecting to make...


For the longest time, I felt that once I reached the point that the cards had meaning in themselves (e.g. forget the book) that I would be there. OK, I'm kinda there, but....

Just when I think I understand a card, I find that I don't. I'll take a card whose meaning I'm relatively sure of and decide that it's different *THIS* time. Or I'll get confused, look it up in several books and then decide that everyone's wrong (they're close, but just not right). That seems the height of arrogance as the writer's are recognised as knowing the Tarot and I'm a rank beginner.

I guess that I had more confidence when I had to look things up.

---Michael 


kayne  01 Apr 2002 
I think you just need to trust your intuition a little more! :THP

The book is just poetic words constructed on a page... you don't have to learn it word for word. Your meaning for a particular card in a particular situation way differ from the books interpretation. Allow it to! Accept that it may still be an accurate interpretation. The surrounding cards, the postion in the spread etc... they all have so much influence that the book just can't always account for.

Go with you heart! :TLOVE 


Lion-O  02 Apr 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by MichaelS Just when I think I understand a card, I find that I don't. I'll take a card whose meaning I'm relatively sure of and decide that it's different *THIS* time. Or I'll get confused, look it up in several books and then decide that everyone's wrong (they're close, but just not right). That seems the height of arrogance as the writer's are recognised as knowing the Tarot and I'm a rank beginner.

First of all I strongly disagree on the arrogance part. Arrogance would be you firing up threads and tell us how those authors are wrong (not in your opinion, simply claim they are wrong per facto). That would be arrogant indeed, but taking the whole Tarot concept into mind I think its near impossible to say whats right and whats wrong. It is very likely that some aspects work for you and that others do not, its not as simple as learning the guidelines and other theoretic basics and thus mastering it alltogether. On the contrary; there is much more to Tarot then just one road which you can take.

And when talking about the meaning of those cards; I've been there myself to some extend. The times where I used a 4 card spread but not like the books, which wrote about this particular one, showed me; I basicly used my own interpretation and the way I felt was right. Well, and if that specific aproach works for you then I think thats the right aproach for you to use in the future. I have to agree with Kayne here; have a little more faith in yourself and your readings. After all; a card can have more then one meaning, the exact and true meaning itself relies on a couple of options. Take the place in the spread for example. Allthough this could be considered pretty "pre-defined" the reading / asked question itself certainly is not.

I have to agree with the others as well; you are making progress. The fact that you can post your experiences and questions in such detail sort of prove that to me. Anyway, I hope this thread has helped you out a bit, and most of all; has given you some extra confidence and motivation. 


catboxer  03 Apr 2002 
Michael:

The feeling you're talking about happens to people who are engaged in the ongoing study of anything, not just tarot. It's not that you know less than before, but that as you acquire new information, you have to assimilate it to your systematic understanding of what you knew before.

When we learn things, we don't just acquire the knowledge, we put it in order inside our heads -- build a conceptual system. New information will more often than not upset the apple cart, and then we have to go through the process of re-integrating and re-synthesizing in order to update our conceptual structure of whatever it is we're studying.

It happens to everybody, all the time. And it means you're progressing, not moving backward. It also means that you're approaching the subject with the right (humble) attitude. Nothing's worse than a know-it-all. 


mermaid1622  08 Apr 2002 
I find that sometimes the more full-of-awe a process is, the more I may find it awful (awe-full). Gradually or suddenly, everything I thought of as "certain," I see differently. Too, everything powerful can feel out of control at times. The same fire that warms us can burn us up, for example.

I've been there and will be again as far as thinking, "Who am I to say what this card means?" But I believe the answer is in the view that I am saying what this card means to me at this time; I am giving my interpretation, what sounds right to me, just as I might play a musical composition in the way that sounds right to me -- that would be my interpretation of the composition.

Also, even though it's good to take into consideration the opinions of others, it is possible to be correct whether anyone else sees what you see ... for example, consider Galileo and Columbus and ...

mermaid1622 


The Going backward thread was originally posted on 31 Mar 2002 in the Talking Tarot board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the threads in Talking Tarot, or read more archived threads.

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