Horary Readings Round 7 - Answers

I think the best approach is to cast a new chart for the question you've just asked - essentially, 'Will he choose me? - unless you want to modify the question in any wsy.

Minderwiz said:

I think the best approach is to cast a new chart for the question you've just asked - essentially, 'Will he choose me? - unless you want to modify the question in any wsy.

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Yes! Do you mind? I would love it if you could.

Thanks!
Mona

OK Mona, I'll try and see what I can come up with for this question.

So the next two readings are for Mona and Ana.

Minderwiz said:

This is actually a difficult question for me to deal with as it's closely linked to natal issues and might be better read from your natal chart. I remember some time ago on a natal reading finding issues in your chart that might not endear you to others...you are an intelligent, assertive woman, who does not suffer fools gladly and that can put people's noses out of joint in any culture, but especially in a culture which expects women to take a passive/deferential/submissive role. It was that natal exercise that challenged me to try for a horary reading. I'm still not sure it's the correct way forward and it might not work but here goes:

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ya im intelligent but not in worldly sense. and due to dominance and social restraints im tied down.

First point - I'm using a chart with whole sign houses, as I'm drawing on Hellenistic Lots for some of the reading.
The chart has Leo rising which has you signified by the Sun. Leo is a fixed sign, so you are rather stubborn in your attitudes to people you disagree with or indeed in general. And you can also be 'firy' in your attitude. In this chart the Sun is in its detriment of Aquarius,can and placed in the seventh House conjunct the Descendant. I think this suggests that you feel vulnerable when you are challenged or even have a feeling that everyone is against you (which is the premise of the question).

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ya i often feel people are against me but my nature is also difficult one but due to genetic primarily.

Traditional Astrology highlights two kinds of 'enemies', those who are open about it and those who are secret (operate behind your back or without you being aware of it). The former are ruled by the seventh House, the latter by the twelfth. I think your question is more a seventh house one, as you clearly feel upset or threatened by antigonism.

The ruler of the twelfth House is Saturn. Saturn is in Scorpio from where it squares the Sun to the exact degree. So there is a clear challenging and indeed difficult aspect at work. Saturn though is at least in the Face of the Sun, so whilst there is a challenge, there's also a respect for you. It might be grudging but it's there. The Sun is Aquarius, is in the sign of Saturn, so you are the more deffensive or overawed'

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i often feel threatened. and i am surrounded by people i dont like so i feel lonely.
i want to be around people i like but they seldom like me.

Saturn is in the sign of Mars, which here is in the fourth House, and that can signify roots, family, and indeed culture. So I'd suggest one reason is that you are seen as a challenge to the cultural ideal of 'family'. That is not to say that your own husband and children hold this view, but it is likely to be held by your parents (who are also signified by the fourth house) and I think that was established by your comments in the natal work of earlier.

Saturn is in the Triplicity of Mars too, so that shows that you as a challenge to the 'family/roots/culture' is the overwhelming reason. Saturn is in the Terms of Mercury, so to a lesser extent it's your mind - it wouldn't be so bad if you were weak minded but you are not.

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my mind is disturbed due to childhood experiences and again surrounded by bad people.

What can you do about it?

I've drawn up 5 Hellenistic Lots to help analyse the situation further.

The Lot of Enemies lies in your first House in Leo. So you are your own worst enemy here - you might consider modifying your behaviour and not rising to the bait so often. There are times when you have to bite your tongue.

The Lot of Necessity relates to restrictive and difficult situations, imprisonments, subordination and adversarial relationships. This Lot is ruled by Venus and lies in Libra, in the Terms of Venus and Face of Jupiter. It's in the third house, of siblings and neighbours so these may be where the arguments tend to lie. I'd suggest using Venus here. Venus is benefic, not malefic The Lot of Necessity shows how to adapt and overcome the difficulties. Your challenge is to be more like the cultural norm for young women but still maintain your assertiveness. You've got to learn to be assertive in a more gentle manner (and that's not a contradiction), use relationships (in the widest sense) to build alliances and friendships which you can draw on. The trouble is Venus is not well placed, being in the sixth. So you will find this hard to accomplish. However it is probably your best way forward.

The Lot of Nemesis shows whar you can't change about such situations - that is situations which are more or less permanent. This Lot lies in Cancer in your twelfth House - the house of secret enemies. There's nothing you can do here. The Lot is ruled by the Moon, which is in Libra with the Lot of Necessity. Your' feminine assertion may mitigate but it's not going to remove all your troubles. It might still leave you with some issues with siblings,but it's worth trying.

The Lots of Spirit and Accusation lie in the ninth House with the Lot of Accusation being conjunct your MC.

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ya looks like permanent situation to me i cant be assertive the people here dominate me and control me i have stopped saying anything but they misuse m

The Lot of Accusation is a description of you as am 'exile' being away from home, sometimes metaphorically - describing situations in which you feel on your own without friends or support, sometimes literally, that you are abroad in a foreign land. The lot is in the ninth House, which is aq fortunate house but is associated with overseas travel, as well as higher education and learning. The lot is actually sextiled by Mars, Sun and Mercury from the right, and by Jupiter from the left. So things are not as bad as you think. The only hard aspect is from Venus by square. I can't really tell if that means that you would be better moving to another country, I know you have thought about it. and it's possible that that might be a move to think about, but only for career reasons.

The Lot of Spirit shows what you can do by your own efforts to affect your life. As it to lies in the ninth House, that does throw the issue of moving for career reasons back into the consideration. Spirit has connections with career and social status because it shows the effects of your own efforts, and that tends to be the area where we most influence our lives.

Leaving the country is a dramatic and major decision. You might look at the other meaning of the ninth, higher education and embark on studies which would in time give your career a boost. The MC lies in your ninth whole sign house, so a career which itself is related to education, such as a teacher, might be a way forward.

There's no clear answer here but there are things to think about and maybe take soe action, both in personal behaviour and strategies for dealing with others and for trying to deal with that over which you have no control.

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ya you did mention that i have strong 9th house but then you said that i wont win the lottery due to placement of certain planets which obstruct the 9th house from doing well
i wont be actually going abroad i have to be surrounded here from dreadful people and i hate being around such people
they are abusive, use foul language, i am not their type

i want to go to better pasture but cant see a way out

thanks for the reading
it was very helpful
i know it was tough to answer
but you did a good job

Reading for Ana's Song

Ana's Song said:

Hi Minderwiz

Given formal news of my redundancy last Friday 1st Feb, and my final day being this Friday 8th Feb, I'm wondering about my chances of getting a new job - preferably within the next month as idle hands and all that! But timing over the next three months is what we discussed Also, I am concerned about where this work would be (here in NZ or overseas for example Australia), and the likelihood of my having to take a pay cut.

Hope this makes sense, let's refine down further if this seems a bit unfocused.

Best, Ana.

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The chart has Cancer rising so you are signified by the Moon. The Moon is currently in Sagittarius in the sixth House, not the best placement to show an indication that you are going to be noticed in the job market within the next month. Furthermore the Moon is Peregrine, that is without any essential dignity. Usually that is an indication that you really need some help if yu are to achieve your aims. That could be anything from someone helping you to hone your CV to being on the books of an employment agency, or going on a special back to work course. The help could come in many forms but the point is that you will struggle to get into work without it. Jupiter rules the MC and you are in one of Juptier's signs - a clear signal of your desire and need for that new job. There is no exaltation ruler in Sagittarius but the Sun is the Triplicity Lord, and the Sun rules your second House of money and resources. Again the need to have an income is clearly one of your key priorities here. The Moon is in the Terms of Mars and the Face of Saturn, the two malefics. Mars rules the eleventh House of Friends, and hopes, So your hopes are also clearly described by the chart.

Jupiter is placed in Gemini within three degrees of the Twelfth House cusp and so is more associated with that than the eleventh House, whose cusp is two signs away in Aries. The twelfth is associated with loss and struggle, so the job doesn't look like it is particularly well placed, and Jupiter is in Detriment in Gemini, though he is in his own Face. The Job, or perhaps more accurately the job market is not good and despite being symbolised by Jupiter, the job is not going to present much, at least in the short term.

At least an aspect between Moon and Jupiter would show some hopes that you might get the job, but the Moon is at the end of Sagittarius and Jupiter is at the beginning of Gemini, so there's no major aspect here.

There's no connection between the Moon and Jupiter by antiscia so we are left with the possible help of a third party (and I've already mentioned that a third party is just what a peregrine planet needs).

The Moon is applying to Mercury in Pisces by sextile. Although the Moon will have to move into Capricorn, the applying aspect is there and Mercury is at 1 degree 24 of Pisces. so the separation is around 4 degrees. If we allow this aspect to count even though the Moon changes signs, and Mercury were to go on and aspect Jupiter, that would show a positive outcome.

Mercury will actually square Jupiter, at 6 degrees Gemini, and that aspect would be with reception, so despite the square, the outcome would be favourable. However before Mercury can square Jupiter it will conjoin Mars at 3 degrees Pisces. So any hopes there would be dashed as this conjunction will prohibit the transfer of light from the Moon to Jupiter via Mercury.


There are ways that I could try and stretch matters to avoid a pessimistic conclusion but they don't really promise much. If I'd used whole sign Houses Mars would rule the thenth and the Mercury Mars conjunction might have offered real hope....if I allow the Moon to cross signs before perfecting the aspect. But Mars too doesn't hold out much hope of a good job, as it's also peregrine. And with the MC being in the ninth whole sign house, it suggests a job abroad. As Leo is in Detriment in Aquarius, the pay will not be good, even then.

Incidentally Mercury rules your Lot of Spirit, the indicator of your ability to influence events and particularly to employment. Mercury is in Detriment in Pisces, so I don't really see you being able to do much at all during the coming month.

In conclusion, I would love to report that a job is just around the corner, but the chart doesn't show that. It shows you needing help and support of some sort. I would thing this would be polishing your CV so it's just what potential employers are looking for, showing off your skills in the best light. You might also need an employment agency or placement agency who can direct your details to potential employers who might be interested.

Put those into train and your situation should improve. Remember this reading is for just one month, so things may well change if you need to ask again.

Taking any new questions Minderwiz?

Yes but give me a three or four days I'm playing catch up with a number of things at the moment, so it will be at least Monday before I get round to answering it. You can post your question though - It will remind me you're in line

Reading for Mona18

Mona18 said:

Hi M,

I have further feedback to share --- he reached out to me this past Monday. We've going back and forth a bit. I posed the question to him that I would like to have a two way relationship for us and that I wanted him to think about it, if that's something he could do then to let me know. Is there anything in this chart that would indicate which way he'll decide to go in?

Thanks,
Mona

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Minderwiz said:

I think the best approach is to cast a new chart for the question you've just asked - essentially, 'Will he choose me? - unless you want to modify the question in any wsy.

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I've tried three versions of this horary and this is the only one that makes sense in context - not a usually position for me to find myself in with horary. So I have to preface the reading by saying that I am not at all sure on this one.

The chart I have has Cancer rising, so you are signified by the Moon. The Moon is in Capricorn in the seventh house and conjunct the Descendant. It's clear what you are looking for - him! and you have come to him, as you described in your post. You have put yourself into an extremely vulnerable situation.

Now it's questionable here whether the Moon is Void of Course, as it is in late Capricorn, but it is making an applying aspect to Mercury and Mars, which are partilely conjunct in Pisces at 5 degrees. However as the Moon is your significator, I'm not sure I can write the question off simply through that rather wide, but still within the Moon's orb, application.

Now Saturn is in the fifth House of Romance, ruled by Mars. But the position is only 11 degrees of the sign and Saturn is in no dignity of the Moon. So that seems to indicate that the opportunity has passed and he is not moving (Scorpio is a fixed sign).

There's not really a chance of translation of light here, the Moon's next aspects being to Mercury and Mars but before either of them can trine Saturn they will square Jupiter in Gemini.

So at this point I'm forced to conclude that the desire is all on your part and though he's the object of romance, he's not budging. Not a great conclusion to reach.

I'd leave it there but for something that for want of a better word bugs me. The exaltation planet in Capricorn is Mars, and the Moon is in the Terms of Mars, so at the Moon's location Mars is actually the most dignified planet. And the Moon is applying to Mars by Sextile.

Now that's a far more favourable situation, and Mars rules your Lot of Marriage. The trouble is that once again Mars is not in any dignity of the Moon, which confirms the 'one way' flow of feelings.

So, there is something of a chance that he might show some interest but it's not going to be strong at all, At worst he's not going to really shift his position of self involvement, at least in the short term. Even if I went by Mars, there's a chance he's going to move away (Mars in the ninth) so you might get a 'Now is not the time. but maybe later'.

I just hope I'm wrong but this chart (which is the most promising one of the three that I cast, because it at least described the situation) does not show him having a similar level of desire as you.

Minderwiz said:

I've tried three versions of this horary and this is the only one that makes sense in context - not a usually position for me to find myself in with horary. So I have to preface the reading by saying that I am not at all sure on this one.

The chart I have has Cancer rising, so you are signified by the Moon. The Moon is in Capricorn in the seventh house and conjunct the Descendant. It's clear what you are looking for - him! and you have come to him, as you described in your post. You have put yourself into an extremely vulnerable situation.

Now it's questionable here whether the Moon is Void of Course, as it is in late Capricorn, but it is making an applying aspect to Mercury and Mars, which are partilely conjunct in Pisces at 5 degrees. However as the Moon is your significator, I'm not sure I can write the question off simply through that rather wide, but still within the Moon's orb, application.

Now Saturn is in the fifth House of Romance, ruled by Mars. But the position is only 11 degrees of the sign and Saturn is in no dignity of the Moon. So that seems to indicate that the opportunity has passed and he is not moving (Scorpio is a fixed sign).

There's not really a chance of translation of light here, the Moon's next aspects being to Mercury and Mars but before either of them can trine Saturn they will square Jupiter in Gemini.

So at this point I'm forced to conclude that the desire is all on your part and though he's the object of romance, he's not budging. Not a great conclusion to reach.

I'd leave it there but for something that for want of a better word bugs me. The exaltation planet in Capricorn is Mars, and the Moon is in the Terms of Mars, so at the Moon's location Mars is actually the most dignified planet. And the Moon is applying to Mars by Sextile.

Now that's a far more favourable situation, and Mars rules your Lot of Marriage. The trouble is that once again Mars is not in any dignity of the Moon, which confirms the 'one way' flow of feelings.

So, there is something of a chance that he might show some interest but it's not going to be strong at all, At worst he's not going to really shift his position of self involvement, at least in the short term. Even if I went by Mars, there's a chance he's going to move away (Mars in the ninth) so you might get a 'Now is not the time. but maybe later'.

I just hope I'm wrong but this chart (which is the most promising one of the three that I cast, because it at least described the situation) does not show him having a similar level of desire as you.

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Hi M! Thanks so much for the reading ... I wonder why it was hard to cast? And no worries, I did want a more positive reading but I understand it wasn't cooperating.

I placed a phone call to him today, so we'll see what happens. I will let you know.

Thanks so much!

Minderwiz said:

The chart has Cancer rising so you are signified by the Moon. The Moon is currently in Sagittarius in the sixth House, not the best placement to show an indication that you are going to be noticed in the job market within the next month. Furthermore the Moon is Peregrine, that is without any essential dignity. Usually that is an indication that you really need some help if yu are to achieve your aims. That could be anything from someone helping you to hone your CV to being on the books of an employment agency, or going on a special back to work course. The help could come in many forms but the point is that you will struggle to get into work without it. Jupiter rules the MC and you are in one of Juptier's signs - a clear signal of your desire and need for that new job. There is no exaltation ruler in Sagittarius but the Sun is the Triplicity Lord, and the Sun rules your second House of money and resources. Again the need to have an income is clearly one of your key priorities here. The Moon is in the Terms of Mars and the Face of Saturn, the two malefics. Mars rules the eleventh House of Friends, and hopes, So your hopes are also clearly described by the chart.

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Spot on right there with the need to have an income and also a new job. My primary worry (other than the money of course!) is that I will go a bit bonkers with not being able to get up in the morning and have something to do. I've had a couple of days of that already and the panic that sets in is not pleasant!

Minderwiz said:

Jupiter is placed in Gemini within three degrees of the Twelfth House cusp and so is more associated with that than the eleventh House, whose cusp is two signs away in Aries. The twelfth is associated with loss and struggle, so the job doesn't look like it is particularly well placed, and Jupiter is in Detriment in Gemini, though he is in his own Face. The Job, or perhaps more accurately the job market is not good and despite being symbolised by Jupiter, the job is not going to present much, at least in the short term.

At least an aspect between Moon and Jupiter would show some hopes that you might get the job, but the Moon is at the end of Sagittarius and Jupiter is at the beginning of Gemini, so there's no major aspect here.

There's no connection between the Moon and Jupiter by antiscia so we are left with the possible help of a third party (and I've already mentioned that a third party is just what a peregrine planet needs).

The Moon is applying to Mercury in Pisces by sextile. Although the Moon will have to move into Capricorn, the applying aspect is there and Mercury is at 1 degree 24 of Pisces. so the separation is around 4 degrees. If we allow this aspect to count even though the Moon changes signs, and Mercury were to go on and aspect Jupiter, that would show a positive outcome.

Mercury will actually square Jupiter, at 6 degrees Gemini, and that aspect would be with reception, so despite the square, the outcome would be favourable. However before Mercury can square Jupiter it will conjoin Mars at 3 degrees Pisces. So any hopes there would be dashed as this conjunction will prohibit the transfer of light from the Moon to Jupiter via Mercury.

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All of this makes me feel like it's so close yet so far

Minderwiz said:

There are ways that I could try and stretch matters to avoid a pessimistic conclusion but they don't really promise much. If I'd used whole sign Houses Mars would rule the thenth and the Mercury Mars conjunction might have offered real hope....if I allow the Moon to cross signs before perfecting the aspect. But Mars too doesn't hold out much hope of a good job, as it's also peregrine. And with the MC being in the ninth whole sign house, it suggests a job abroad. As Leo is in Detriment in Aquarius, the pay will not be good, even then.

Incidentally Mercury rules your Lot of Spirit, the indicator of your ability to influence events and particularly to employment. Mercury is in Detriment in Pisces, so I don't really see you being able to do much at all during the coming month.

In conclusion, I would love to report that a job is just around the corner, but the chart doesn't show that. It shows you needing help and support of some sort. I would thing this would be polishing your CV so it's just what potential employers are looking for, showing off your skills in the best light. You might also need an employment agency or placement agency who can direct your details to potential employers who might be interested.

Put those into train and your situation should improve. Remember this reading is for just one month, so things may well change if you need to ask again.

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Oddly enough, I seem to have done it again with my questions to you Minderwiz. After you cast this but before you posted on the forum, I have been working what is left of my network and also have been in touch with a few recruiters. I've also passed on my CV to a number of contacts and have catch ups teed up for every single day of the forthcoming week now. I hope this is the help and support you mention. Also, I've gone through my CV and re-polished it up a bit and have had a few people review it, not to mention copious editing for a job that is not in my direct line of experience. Must say I feel rather like a pimp calling up people and asking them for advice and contacts

Cross fingers then and things may turn more positive after my stirring the pot a bit more...