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Hello Minderwiz,
My apologies it has taken me so long to respond to your reading. Thank you so much. I understand a lot of time has gone into the detail here, and my tardy reply is not a reflection of my unappreciation! Just bogged down this end

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The chart cast has Libra rising, so you are signified by Venus. Venus is in Gemini, where she has no essential dignity - this suggests that at the moment you are vulnerable and feel powerless to influence the outcome significantly. This matches your description in the question so it seems that the significator is appropriate. In terms of accidental dignity, Venus' house placement is in the ninth, which is a good placement. The ninth is associated with travel, long journeys, spiritual growth and dreams. You used the phrase 'our journey' and clearly the chart shows that you are ready for a spiritual and lifetime journey. Venus is slow and retrograde, which raises the question as to whether you're looking in the right direction. Within a few days Venus will station direct - a time for reappraisal of the situation and a 'literal' change of direction.
I do indeed feel vulnerable and very frustrated by the powerlessness I have in the outcome! This has been an incredible Journey, that has been slow, well thought out, well discussed, that has brought us to the point we are at now. I have a query about Venus going direct, which will be below.

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Your partner is signified by Mars, ruler of Aries. Mars is in Virgo, where it has dignity by Terms, not a strong dignity but he's essentially stronger than you - so the outcome may well rest on his actions. Mars is in the twelfth House - not a good position because it is 'not seen' by the Ascendant and at the moment he's not seen by you - at least in terms of realising the plans. Cuirrently Mars is Faster than Venus and also direct - so he's heading away from you.
The outcome, at this moment in time, does rely solely on his actions. Lol, he is soo not seen by me. I have lost faith a little that we will realise our plans one day.

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Will the plans be realised?

There are several tests available, a positive answer to any one is suggestive of success. The first is whether there's a major aspect developing between Mars and Venus. The answer to this is no.

The second test is the actions of the Moon. The Moon can act as significator for either you or him in the horary. The last aspect made by the Moon was to Venus by sextile. Now if the Moon's next aspect was to Mars, then this would suggest a good outcome. The Moon in Leo is in the next sign, although a semi-sextile is forming this is too weak an aspect to suggest success. We really need a major aspect.

The third test is to see if there is contact by antisicia. That is the two significators lie an equal distance from the solstice line (Cancer - Capricorn) but on opposite sides. Moon and Mars are on the same side and Venus is not far enough away from 0 Cancer to balance the Leo and Virgo positions of Mars or the Moon. This too suggests a 'no' answer.

The fourth test is to look at the natural marriage significators of Sun for him and Venus for you. Venus is already mentioned as it is the Ascendant ruler. There's no major aspect forming at the momen, indeed with the Sun now in Cancer, there's no major aspect likely at all.

All of these suggest a 'No' answer to your question.
I believe that it will take time to turn the tables yet again, to the point where this can be a reality.

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I would have expected Venus to be in one of the dignities of Mars, but the chart does not show that. However Mars is in the Triplicity of Venus, so he does have feelings for you and reasonably strong ones at that.
That I do not question, I know he does

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Looking at the three Marriage Lots for Women, which give some more detail - One is ruled by Venus and is very close to the Ascendant - which shows your focus on the relationship - this is the Valens Lot which gives an indication of happiness - it certainly shows your desire for it.
Yes, I do. And when he is not looking for ways/reasons to run away, there is magic.

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The second - the Lot of Marriage which also applies to Men as well, is ruled by Saturn, and lies in the fifth House of romance and fun. This lot is the most commonly used one and given that Saturn is in Libra where is is in exaltation, is a good indicator. Indeed Saturn also lies in the first House and so has a direct connection with you.

The third and final lot, the so called Alternative Lot, shows where marriages might come under stress. For you this Lot lies in Scorpio and is ruled by Mars - your partner. All three Lots are connected to either you or him. This is promising. but the Marriage stress one being ruled by Mars suggests either the obvious - he is the cause of current stress, or that he feels stressed by the situation and needs to be on his own and away from you to think things through. He's got cold feet in other words.
He does have cold feet. Very. Twice he has stepped up to the line and twice he has done a very fast backward flip. He is under a lot of stress, which is attributing to his cold feet. Some of the stress is caused by worrying about the what if's, instead of letting things unfold and dealing with what may or may not come up.

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Interestingly, of the two Lots specifically for Men in this chart, Venus rules the Lot of Marriage for Men (and Venus is your significator) and the Alterntive Lot, although ruled by Mercury, lies in the Terms of Venus.

So I don't see this being sorted out and you living together within the next six months, unless there's a significant change. However I do see that he cares for you, and the Lots of Marriage keep coming back to the significators of you and him (or planets in your first House). So the underlying feeling is that this will ultimately work out.
Thank you, I hope it does work out.

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Being confrontational will not help, Venus is without essential power to act. All you can do is give him time and hope that he eventually makes contact (I think he will). Again if he's getting cold feet or something else has come up that he was unable to talk about, confrontation won't work. He has to return willingly, even if that means putting off the plans for a while.
I have not been confrontational, I was in too much shock to be anything other than very upset. He has as much time as I am prepared to give him And, he is still very much around. He finds excuses to visit or phone, although as "friends". He won't discuss any thing to do with his feelings for me, and I understand that is his way of coping with the cold feet.

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Two final observations.

The first is that I would have expected Venus to be in a dignity of Mars, that is clear indication that you care for him and that's missing. It may be a reflection of your current state of mind, or it might be that simply asking the question is evidence enough. But I do think you need to use the Venus station, to reflect on your feelings and if you're still certain he's the one, then when he makes contact, take things up again but without pressuring him, if it was cold feet.
I care very much for him. As I mentioned earlier, I have been in a state of shock and been totally numb the last weeks. It is only the last 24 hours that I am starting to feel more in control, and I have not wept Hope it lasts!

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The second is that Saturn in the first is sometimes seen as leading to a reading that might not work out and many Astrologers choose not to accept such a chart for a question. I've gone ahead here, because Saturn is dignified in Libra and indeed is stronger than Venus in Libra in a day chart, as Saturn is both Exaltation and Triplicity ruler. However Saturn is Retrograde and at best I'd say that might slow things down.
Lol, that's my Capricorn. Slow.

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Sorry I can't be more optimistic on this chart but I can see a future for you both if you get this sorted. It probably will take longer than six months, your question is 'should you wait?' On this chart I'd say give him a chance.
In regards to 'when' it happen, that ball is in his court. The 'if', well that is in both our courts. He has let me down, hugely, twice and that I will be keeping account on in the future. I could not cope with it happening a third time! But, for the moment time is on his side, and we will see what happens.

Now for my question; If I understand correctly, the chart is drawn, at the time the question was posed. So your reading was based on the time of my question, or the time you did the reading? (The two times would probably have refelcted the same info as the situation at both those times was pretty much the same?). So in lieu of the fact that Venus has just gone direct, the general planet shift, and we are now a couple of weeks further down the track, the reading would be different?
I am interested in finding out more about Horary charts and how to make them and read them, so if you can steer me in the direction of some good reading (internet or other) I would really appreciate it. I did see a thread of your's here where the querents participated. I will have a good read through and see what I can glean there.

Minderwiz, again thankyou for the time you have put into my reading. It is very accurate, and here's hoping that the outcome will be "happy ever after together"
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