That is for example:
The Hierophant=Taurus; To me Saggitarius would fit better. One would need passion and inspiration and the urge to teach to be the Hierophant. I just would not think of Taurus...
Taurus as Hierophant was already nicely explained in this thread, so I won't repeat things – but the grounding, stability and patience that a true teacher needs is not really a feature of adventurer-Sagittarius. Sag is more interested in discovering knowledge than teach – and as fire, he is very much involved in his own centre and his own individual quest.
Justice=Libra; One would need a clear detached mind, willing to go to details while leaving behind emotions. I think of the need to make clear, down to earth decisions while facing the facts. To me thats much more Virgo than Libra.
Justice fits Libra perfectly – and Librans are very detached and rational. Libra is the only sign in the zodiac represented by an object and it is the peak of civilized approach, of finesse, and harmonic resolutions. Librans are very much morally oriented (hence relation to the law) – their challenge is a 'correct choice' – when you decide for the option that really suits you, but also consider others involved and possible moral implications (think love triangles). If people are incapable of making correct choices, they end up in courts which are there to regulate sometimes very brutal and primitive human behaviour and impose civilized rules. That is why Justice-Law fits perfectly since Law is there to mend the issues in a dignified manner and resolve disputes with a delicate, refined approach, and not succumb to the rule of 'an eye for an eye'
You always need to consider the signs in their polarities – Libra is opposite to Aries, hence it is 'peace against war', it is human, refined approach versus the crude and raw battle of Aries. Also, Venus, modern ruler of Libra, was a lover of Mars, the ruler of Aries – hence they deeply correlate.
One more aspect – Libra-Aries axis is the axis of ME-OTHER. Me&You. In Aries Sun is dignified, in Libra it is in 'fall' –Libra marks the first 'descent' of the Sun, where the Sun (as the centre of the ego consciousness) is not alone any more, but needs to consider the other as well. If Aries is the sign of 'I', Libra is the sign of 'you' – this means entering relationships and also having great desire to be reflected in others, hence with the tendency to be narcissistic (but that's another story).
If you take a look at Greek myths for example, they were extremely raw and crude – the gods (planets in astrology) were constantly quarrelling, bickering, fighting, they were revengeful and aggressive, making all kinds of ploys…and constantly interfering into human lives. Libra is therefore also the Athena, the Goddess of Justice who tried to appease the disputes and raise above vindicitveness and aggressiveness. Hence Libra represents the civilized aspect. And, again, Law is there to ensure people abide certain rules and not just go on killing each other
Libra is many times faced with conflictual situations and also love triangles, so that the 'decision' challenge comes out. Who or what will you chose? Such choices can present a real agony in a person's life. But we only grow with decisions – and each decision means that we cut off something.
So Libra is about a turning-point – to chose an adult relationship and leave the origin family behind. It is an aware decision, hence it pertains to the air element. Air cuts, decides, detaches – and this is needed when we make important choices. The word 'decision' comes from the Latin '-cide' which means to kill and also to cut. When you decide for something, you also let go of something. You need to cut something away. Hence Libra relates to deep issues of what is right/wrong, implications of the choices we make, and the right relationships that we enter. And this is not about instinctual reactions, it is about wise considerations and insight.
And yes, Virgo and Libra, as Scorpio in fact do have a lot in common, their mythology is very interlaced, if only to mention the myth of the abduction of Persephone for instance. It relates to Virgo, Libra and Scorpio, and Libra in fact is a rather new invention, in the past it was part of the Scorpio (known as Scorpio claws).
The Wheel of Fortune=Jupiter; I often read keywords like: Karma, Cycles, Cause and Effect. Wouldn't that be Saturn?
Yes, this indeeds fits Saturn more. However, Jupiter it is about 'destiny' and new opportunities that life brings. Jupiter-Saturn are a pair, they are Son and Father, both paternal figures, in fact.
Jupiter is the new order, new life, since he dethroned his father Saturn and broke the imposing, unyileding structure of rigid rules. So the Wheel does start spinning in a different direction, bringing more freedom and expansion. Wheel as Jupiter is 'a new kingdom', the son that overthrows the father (old system).
The Chariot=Cancer; to me that feels almost like a contradiction. leaving home versus the need to connect to family and home (Cancer). Would not for example Aries fit better?
Cancer has the challenge to create his own home, his own roots. Cancer is a cardinal sign, a sign of moving forward. All the seasons being in cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Librs, Capricorn) – hence, cardinal signs are about beginnings, drive and focus. Cancer has a great drive to create its own family and can fiercely protect it.
As I wrote in one of my previous posts: »the ruler of Cancer is Moon, the mother archetype - which in fact has many faces, one of them also the devouring, dark mother, and the female goddesses of destruction.
And mothers are a great force. Mothers are not just pure sweetness and tenderness, they can be overwhelming, extremely powerful and even dictatorial. The 'dictate of the mother' is something very real and 'mothers' are many times the driving force of the whole family.
Imagine the power and decisiveness the mother has to have to bring the child into the world, push it out of her womb - where she may almost die in the process. And then she is ready to go to the end of the world for her offspring.«
The maternal archetype is very much related to destructiveness – and to move away from mother (and the original family) can be a life challenge.
One more thing, very important: Cancer is not just about home, it is about the challenge to grow up emotionally, as it is the first water sign that we meet in zodiac. It is a personal water sign, learning how to deal with personal internal conflicting emotions – and Chariot is many times about having control over inner impulses that can be very destructive and pulling you in many directions (as horses). Emotions can be very black-and-white, very conflicting, so the Charioteer needs to have a full reign.
The GD, Papus etc. also didn't know about the outer planets. But we do. So why do we still refer to that attributional system?
Traditions die hard
There are so many astrologers who don't even take into account the outer planets – but they should be taken into account, profoundly, since they reflect the growth and expansion, as well as deepening of human consciousness.
Not to be mistaken, I really like all of those books but with this I want to ask you for your take on that. I'm only curious if there is also a newer take than the Golden Dawn astro-attributes...
Jean
Just go on and create your own system
New and evolving approaches are always welcome, they contribute to the growth. However, the human mind likes established structures (is very Saturnian)
So we need to find a mix between the old and the new, grow roots in the old, but by all means allow new awareness and insight.