the climax house!
Whew! *Thanks* for all the replies... They've all helped to clarify things for me in these murky waters... (and as for the book suggestions, super thanks, I am such a total bookworm!)
OK, so I promised something for y'all to chew on:
12th sounds pretty psychological to me. If there's one thing I've learned about the unconscious, it's that you can't pin it down and contain it - you can only sink your teeth into it and refuse to let go until you've learned what you must learn, don't let yourself get caught up in it or identify with it, which is, I suppose one way to approach a nebulous Neptunian state. Even the idea that the unconscious is only subconscious - ie, hidden, what is underneath is a little bit misleading b/c is it and is more than that as well.... So while historically the 12th is related to 'sub' things, subcultures etc, I can see now how it moves beyond that as well.
Now, going to the completion of the circle, the idea of totality, I would suggest that this is definetely an experience everybody has on many different levels, many times in a lifetime, unconsciously or consciously. The idea of the *return* to a state before the division of consciousness, which on one hand is to experience ecstacy and on the other, the complete negation of the ego.
You could translate this into a state of love/spirituality/divine which would make it kinda Piscean.... I know negation of ego sounds pretty lousy, but listen to Bjork's Vespertine and you'll get a portrait of love that our society doesn't really look at which is the darkness, the irrationality, and the ecstacy you gain when you really *release* yourself (w/o losing yourself). Is this sounding Piscean? Sorry, when I think of Pisces, I think of the Hanged Man and that release of ego. Release of control - which to me is linked to orgasm and the point of death - a state where you relinquish yourself and you have no ability to pull yourself out of that crest which drives you completely beyond yourself into totality/the higher self as Balder puts it (except you get to come back from the orgasm and w/death who knows?). So 8th might get sex and the underworld, but 12th gets the actual climax, isn't that nice? ^_~ (Someone please rope me in if I'm way off the mark here.)
So.... I can see the spiritual implications and also the threat 12 poses. It's a scary thing to give up control in our control obsessed society.
purplelady> got my sun in 12th as well, and am trying to create a new alternative to postmodernism I'd always attributed that more to my Aquarius rising but certainly sun in 12 makes for a different perspective.