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I found an interesting viewpoint


I am studying Sefer Yetzirah commentary book by Aryeh Kaplan from Weiser publishing.

He outlines basic principles. :

That,

There are 22 hebrew letters.

There are divided into three mothers, 7 doubles, 12 elementals.

and

This numbering schemes can be derived from Mother.

In the Tree of Life, there are 3 horizontal lines, 7 vertical lines, 12 diagonal lines.
When you move Tiferet and Yesod just a little upward, the arrangement is
clear.
And you can see that if just one number is decided, everything follows.

The relationship can be written as :

Mother - n
then
Points(Sefirot) - 3n +1
Verticals(Double) - 3n-2
Diagonals(Elemental) - 4n
Total(letters) - Mother + Vert + Dia = 8n -2

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This is what's in the book,

and he does not mention tarot.

But when you think about 8n-2, you can see that

78 = 8*10 -2.

that makes 10 mothers, 28 vert.s, 40 dia.s., 31 Points.

I tried to find 10, 28, 40 arrangement in Tarot

but it is not obvious.

Maybe 40 can be numbers in 4 suits.

then 28 would be 16 from the courts of the suits,

then Major arcana should be devided into 12 and 10.

and maybe Fool, Magician, Priestess, Empress, Emperor, Pope, Lovers, Hermit, Hanged man, Devil can be pulled out,
in that all these cards depict somewhat "humanly" characters.
Yeah, all the major contain characters, but I think they are rather
"Circumstances" or forces of nature... and these 10 is more related to actual human like beings...


Is it a viewpoint which is already shared widely and I was just blind??
However...
I thought it was interesting and wanted to know what you shall make of it...
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Hi Manjusri,

I don't know that anyone has expressed it exactly that way before, but there are some threads on Sefer Yetzira here, and you might be interested in Alain Bougearel's "Pythagorean" arrangement of the whole deck -
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php...ht=pythagorean

(start at the beginning of the thread to understand the later discussion)

In terms of arithmetrical symmetry, I don't see how to divide 10 and 28 between the courts and trumps in an elegant way. Some measure of subjectivity is always required, and that will be a constant source of disagreement.

Ross
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Excuse me, but I think that you are going too far. What you are talking about is a deck with 78 major arcana cards. In that case we would need 124 number cards plus I don't know how many court cards.

I have this book and I think that it gives so much information that it needs to be read many times before one starts relating it to other subjects.
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To Ross G caldwell

Thank you for the link :
I will muse on the material.

You are right. Dividing 10 and 28 is unnatural.
tarot is not structured like that...

To jackobo

I partly don't understand what you are saying...
Maybe you are talking in the premise that only major arcanas should be assigned to the "path"?
I just assigned every card in a deck.
This is a makeshift interpretation so I step a little further.

And I agree with you :-)
I will have to read the book thoroughly.
just that this 80-2 thought happened to me,
and I was always curious about tarot's number arrangement.
78 is very interesting.
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I partly don't understand what you are saying...
Maybe you are talking in the premise that only major arcanas should be assigned to the "path"?
I just assigned every card in a deck.
This is a makeshift interpretation so I step a little further.
That's what I mean. The "mystical paths of Wisdom" include both the Sefirot and the paths that link them. In your calculation you only take the paths into account. That is why I disagree; something is missing.
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