Marseilles Seekers Thread (Fifth Exercise)

mosaica

Two of Swords, Six of Swords, and the Wheel of Fortune

"I spin a wheel, seeking momentum, and hit the jackpot."

I see a slot machine in the rounded images of these cards. They say to me that if I pull the lever and "spin the wheel" of the cards every day, I will learn to let the momentum of the images carry me to their meaning: jackpot!
 

Satori

mosaica said:
Two of Swords, Six of Swords, and the Wheel of Fortune

"I spin a wheel, seeking momentum, and hit the jackpot."

I see a slot machine in the rounded images of these cards. They say to me that if I pull the lever and "spin the wheel" of the cards every day, I will learn to let the momentum of the images carry me to their meaning: jackpot!

Well yes, but you could always hit a casino tonight...just in case!
 

Satori

Am I Doing this Right?

5cups, wheel, world
Five cups support three monkeys turning a wheel until a lady does a show at a barn watched over by an angel.

4 Wands, 10 Wands, Valet De Baton
Two couples with 10 kids hire a babysitter.

6 Coins, 9 Cups, 5 Swords
Six dinner plates and 9 cups were waiting for the sword to start the party.

5 Coins, 2 Swords, Cavalier D’Epee
It was up to the knight to hit the targets, but he couldn’t decide which to hit first: the bee hive or the spider.

The Sun, 8 Coins, Fool, Roy De Baton, Reyne De Deniers
Once upon a time the Sun was shining and the rain was falling on two naughty boys who had found 8 frisbees, a dog, and a silly man who had disobyed his uptight father and selfish mother by wandering around without pants on.

(I'm going through the deck and just writing the cards down. I gave up the Haiku, just wanted to try a few, and I see that it wasn't really what the exercise is about. Is this too silly? I think silly can be good, but....I'll try to be more serious. :bugeyed:)

Edited to add:
I kind of like these two:

8 Wands, 3 Swords, 9 Wands
The lawn chair was beyond repair, but suddenly a new tool appeared and the chair seemed to grow into a new shape.

10 Swords, Ace of Wands, Magician
He’d been chopping vegetables for a while when suddenly out of thin air a hand pushed through the hole in the fabric of the Universe and showed him how to create a new kind of cooking bowl called a colander.


Note:
I have to say this is getting hard, and the cards are sort of not making sense. I'm putting it away for a bit....but I do have a couple of other pretty funny sentences....not sure why it went toward the ridiculous for me. Maybe once you get the funny silly stuff out the more serious stuff starts to roll? And they got progressively longer....sorry about that EE. I'll get back to thinking in Haiku....
 

EnriqueEnriquez

Fifth Exercise, second part...

Satori, et all,

You are doing great. The first thing I feel like pointing out is how, now that we are working with three cards, the act of seeing something in one card gets easier. You are all getting sharper!

‘Silly’ is OK. In any case, you may want to try at rephrasing your sentences, so they describe things that could happen to real people. :) Right now, as an exercise, stretching the images is OK. But in practice we will have to deliver these sentences to a real client, and she might get lost if we start talking about monkeys. :)

Or not... In regard of this issue, there is a quote from Anselm Kiefer I would like to share with you all:

"Everything we say is fiction. "It is a nice day" is already a fiction. That is why we must avoid constructing dogma with language. The idea that plants are directly connected with the starts is very pretty. Its an explanation that works with me dasein. It's a consolation. Having said that, irony is indispensable. These are words pronounced by human beings, they can only be used ironically because they are always incomplete. What we say is always a bit ridiculous. People who use words without irony are fanatics, not full human beings. One should always be ready to laugh, because everything is ridiculous. I distrust belief, all dogma. They are nothing but ways of gaining power, of exciting chauvinism."

I would like that all of you meditate on this quote, so we can move towards the second part of the exercise.

When I look at the cards, for a client, I will see things like the ones you are seeing:

"I spin a wheel, seeking momentum, and hit the jackpot."

The thing is that, just as Kiefer is saying in that quote, I have to keep my dogmatism in check. I can’t just forcefully state: “You are going to win the lottery!” “You will see! You are going to win!” I have seen readers who are like that. You can even tell them “But... I never play the lottery” and they will keep insisting: “It doesn‘t matter. Here it is, very clear: You are going to win the lottery!” So, when I see a message like that in the cards, I will go for it, but I will do so by understanding that the message operates at two different levels: a literal level, and a metaphorical level.

"You spin a wheel, seeking momentum, and hit the jackpot" is a great message for a reading. In fact, all of the messages you wrote are. I would deliver it just like that. As Satori pointed out, it is possible that this person will actually win the lottery. But it is more likely to think that this message describes an energetic imprint at a metaphorical level. Most of the times, an intelligent client will see trough the literal statement and apprehend the metaphor. They will understand because, as I pointed out at the beginning of this threads, the cards are an image wanted to be turned into a metaphor by our client. By our client, not necessarily by us! In a few cases, people may laugh at you and say “That would be nice!” and you may feel inclined to explain that your statement has an additional depth. Only in the very specific case of your client asking “Will I win the lottery?” you can be certain that the message’s main emphasis is literal.

What happens in the rest of the cases?

Well, as I said before, we assume the message is a metaphor for something. In this case, it is a metaphor for “the time is right to set thing in motion”. As I said before, most intelligent clients will understand this, yet you need to be prepared to see the metaphor in the message, just in case they need a little push. The trick here is that we can’t think metaphors without seeing the cards literally. I am going to repeat that: we can’t think metaphors without seeing the cards literally. We need our literal statements to elicit a metaphor in our mind, or in the mind of a person, because metaphors cannot be paraphrased, nor explained. They can only be understood by imaging.

In Basho’s poem:

roadside rose
of sharon: devoured
by my horse

We can experience the contrast between the solid mass of a muscular horse and the tenderness of a rose. I can see the soft lips of the horse touching gently the rose bulb, and I can almost hear its strong jaws crushing the whole rose without difficulties. All these experiences are suggested by the poem, but at a deeper level, the poem is a metaphor for the impermanence of life. We can envision a red rose at a roadside, standing proud and perfect. A rose is eternal... until it decays. But the sight of a rose is eternal in itself, unless of course, a huge horse comes and bites it off! The unexpected, fate, chance, luck... call it in any way you want, is always chasing our sense of permanence.


To rephrase all that: we look at the cards as we have been looking so far, searching for a literal statement like: “An angel pours matured foundations leading chained slaves”, “With knitting needles and yarn a purse was made”, etc. We may deliver that statement to the person as it is. But we do so knowing that in most cases the statement doesn’t describes a literal event but a metaphorical one.

- An angel pours matured foundations leading chained slaves: “You will get help to move out”.

- With knitting needles and yarn a purse was made: “Follow all the steps. Don’t get ahead of yourself.”


That will be the second part of this exercise. Please, do three more examples, and after you have stated literally what you are seeing, answer this question: what is this metaphor for?

Any questions, let me know.

Best,


EE
 

EnriqueEnriquez

Satori said:
Note:
I have to say this is getting hard, and the cards are sort of not making sense. I'm putting it away for a bit....but I do have a couple of other pretty funny sentences....not sure why it went toward the ridiculous for me. Maybe once you get the funny silly stuff out the more serious stuff starts to roll? And they got progressively longer....sorry about that EE. I'll get back to thinking in Haiku....

Longer is fine. We aren’t truly writing haiku, but borrowing a way of looking at think from the haiku poets. Eventually you could get whole paragraphs from three cards. That is OK.

The other thing is, take a rest now and then. You are doing great. But sometimes we need to apace ourselves a little bit, look at some other things, and then go back to the tarot.

Best,

EE
 

SilentBreeze

Now that I'm back from vacation I can do these exercises again. I did try out the previous one but never got a chance to type it out.

4 wands - A complex situation
2 wands - becomes simplified
Justice - and now the person can see clearly

I'll get to doing more later.
 

stella01904

I'm back. Mine will be up here tomorrow. :D

Once you see this stuff, you can't unsee it, unless you see something new instead.
 

EnriqueEnriquez

SilentBreeze said:
Now that I'm back from vacation I can do these exercises again. I did try out the previous one but never got a chance to type it out.

4 wands - A complex situation
2 wands - becomes simplified
Justice - and now the person can see clearly

I'll get to doing more later.


Silent Beeze, it is great to have yo back!

You did great here. I am looking forward to see more of what you see in the cards.


EE
 

EnriqueEnriquez

stella01904 said:
Once you see this stuff, you can't unsee it, unless you see something new instead.

:)

That is the beauty of it!

I am looking forward to you exercises too!


EE
 

Satori

This one was left over from my madness last night. La Lune must have been shining through my window...I will start fresh on part two of the exercise, but thought I might try to translate this little number first.

3 of Wands, La Force, Lovers
She had three choices: become a veterinarian and work on lions with dental issues, become a marriage counselor, or become a pilot and fly newlyweds to their honeymoon vacation spots.

Your options are limited only by your imagination; think of what you love most and set about deciding how to get it.


(Actually, when I began thinking about the sequences as these little 'scenes' I had a flurry of creative activity happening for me. Perhaps I have hit on my own personal way of unlocking the pips?)