Please help me translate this to english

I have been searching for information on the Minchiate deck, wanting to learn the meaning behind the creatures that are depicted in this deck. On the trionfi.com site I came across this an notice that some of the cards of this deck shows same creatures, I would like to know what those mean however they are in German, I've tried the google translate to no avail, only some words would translate. I would like to for my own personal use incorporate them into the cards meaning of the Minhiate deck to the cards that depict the creatures on them. Please help me out thanks ahead.

main link: http://trionfi.com/0/p/41/t1.php

links to the German divination meanings http://www.uni-giessen.de/gloning/at/losbuch_c1485.pdf

The cards of interest are

the elephant
The unicorn
The hedgehog
The Griffon / Der Grieff
der Lintwurm ( I see this as the knight of cups)
der Aff ( reminds me of the monkey on the 4 of cups)

and a couple others. birds ( 9 of coins - the birds are in this list)

The Trionfi web site belongs to Huck, who is a member here--bet he'll help out if you send him a pm and alert him to this thread

Lady Iron Side said:

I have been searching for information on the Minchiate deck, wanting to learn the meaning behind the creatures that are depicted in this deck. On the trionfi.com site I came across this an notice that some of the cards of this deck shows same creatures, I would like to know what those mean however they are in German, I've tried the google translate to no avail, only some words would translate. I would like to for my own personal use incorporate them into the cards meaning of the Minhiate deck to the cards that depict the creatures on them. Please help me out thanks ahead.

main link: http://trionfi.com/0/p/41/t1.php

links to the German divination meanings http://www.uni-giessen.de/gloning/at/losbuch_c1485.pdf

The cards of interest are

the elephant
The unicorn
The Griffon / Der Grieff
der Lintwurm

and a couple others. birds ( 9 of coins - the birds are in this list)

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The various bestiaries can give you a great help but they are very restrictive with regard to historical accuracy on the Minchiate use at the time and geographical area it was created. This notebook is based on the Bestiary and probably that of Bartholomaeus Anglicus will be the most useful.

thanks I have found this link, however it doesn't go much into the beasts

http://bestiary.ca/prisources/psdetail1611.htm

I have found out what the creature is on the knight of coins

In Mesopotamian mythology the urmahlullu, or lion-man served as a guardian spirit, especially of bathrooms.

The Knight of staves could be this - Onocentaur , but the tail is throwing me off for it looks like a lions tail. here is a link From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onocentaur

The Griffin ( Western Emperor ) I found this information also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin

I did a search for der Lintwurm ( knight of cups), and this what came up (german site) translated it to english

THE LINTWURM

If a rooster become nine years old, he lays an egg, which, when it comes to water, a Lintwurm produces.

In the wild seas on a alp (high wall) in prior periods Oberwölz Lintwurm one has been. It was caused by an Auerhahnei. He took all the cattle in the vicinity of his breath through. When he was hungry, he yelled that the mountains were trembling. People were always in great fear, he would break through again and devastate the entire area, but luckily he was crushed by sinking two rocks. Another man was in a Lintwurm alpine ponds in Zeiringer (Pusterwald). As he once broke out of the pond, he threw up a large ditch and threw the stones half an hour away by itself. Between Knittelfeld and Judenburg a large lake has been, in what one dwells also Lintwurm. As the lake dried up once, the residents came forward with bludgeons, and slew him. The field was named because of the many thrown around Knittel Knittel field, the place where the Lintwurm was, you said Lind. After fifty years the Lintwurmrippen a shelter have been grazing the cattle.

and this:

TO THE LINTWURM Kulpa

In the Valley of the Kulpa lived in a deep hole Lintwurm an evil, which caused around the neighborhood much harm. Sheep and cattle fell victim to it. When one day he took a child from a crib and swallowed, it was decided to build a church over the hole and the St.. To dedicate George. Since that time the people were freed from the terrible plague.

here's a link From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( but it is spelt differently ) anyways it can also be a Wyvern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindworm

What I am finding interesting is that the Knight of cups is half man, lion, fish, bird ( wings) just wandering what type of hybrid of centaur is he. could he also be a Hippocamp mixed with Tritons

Lady Iron Side said:

thanks I have found this link, however it doesn't go much into the beasts

http://bestiary.ca/prisources/psdetail1611.htm

I have found out what the creature is on the knight of coins

In Mesopotamian mythology {b}the urmahlullu, or lion-man{/b} served as a guardian spirit, especially of bathrooms.
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I did a search for der Lintwurm ( knight of cups), and this what came up (german site) translated it to english

THE LINTWURM

If a rooster become nine years old, he lays an egg, which, when it comes to water, a Lintwurm produces.

In the wild seas on a alp (high wall) in prior periods Oberwölz Lintwurm one has been. It was caused by an Auerhahnei. He took all the cattle in the vicinity of his breath through. When he was hungry, he yelled that the mountains were trembling. People were always in great fear, he would break through again and devastate the entire area, but luckily he was crushed by sinking two rocks. Another man was in a Lintwurm alpine ponds in Zeiringer (Pusterwald). As he once broke out of the pond, he threw up a large ditch and threw the stones half an hour away by itself. Between Knittelfeld and Judenburg a large lake has been, in what one dwells also Lintwurm. As the lake dried up once, the residents came forward with bludgeons, and slew him. The field was named because of the many thrown around Knittel Knittel field, the place where the Lintwurm was, you said Lind. After fifty years the Lintwurmrippen a shelter have been grazing the cattle.

and this:

TO THE LINTWURM Kulpa

In the Valley of the Kulpa lived in a deep hole Lintwurm an evil, which caused around the neighborhood much harm. Sheep and cattle fell victim to it. When one day he took a child from a crib and swallowed, it was decided to build a church over the hole and the St.. To dedicate George. Since that time the people were freed from the terrible plague.

here's a link From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( but it is spelt differently ) anyways it can also be a Wyvern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindworm

What I am finding interesting is that the Knight of cups is half man, lion, fish, bird ( wings) just wandering what type of hybrid of centaur is he. could he also be a Hippocamp mixed with Tritons

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No way, that is the total wrong direction, please don't go that way!!!!!
Restrain yourself to the latin folklore at least... you're heading to germanic lore.
Not that way defenetly.

Edited to add: Please don't think I am understated your search ... but I also started out there at a couple of years ago ... and now I am preparing a essay on a theory that took me to a totally different direction.
But as I have no time to devote myself to it, so I can not finish it before a couple of weeks, you probably can get there before that ...

Hildegard said:

No way, that is the total wrong direction, please don't go that way!!!!!
Restrain yourself to the latin folklore at least... you're heading to germanic lore.
Not that way defenetly.

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OH do please help me out, not wanting to go the wrong way here. so I am to stay with the Latin folklore. I'll do some research and see what turns up. Thanks for the stop sign

It's old German - google only speaks the today sort with stations and hotel bills and opera tickets !

I can do it - but not for a day or three. Can you wait - if Huck doesn't show up soon ? Or PM BrightEye or Cat* - both are German speakers.

Oh - the Lindworm turns up in a lot of Teutonic legends, by the way. One I know is a lot like Beauty and the Beast - a princess has to marry one and in the end manages to turn him into a beautiful prince. But she has to bathe him and flay him till he bleeds a lot.

gregory said:

It's old German - google only speaks the today sort with stations and hotel bills and opera tickets !

I can do it - but not for a day or three. Can you wait - if Huck doesn't show up soon ? Or PM BrightEye or Cat* - both are German speakers.

Oh - the Lindworm turns up in a lot of Teutonic legends, by the way. One I know is a lot like Beauty and the Beast - a princess has to marry one and in the end manages to turn him into a beautiful prince. But she has to bathe him and flay him till he bleeds a lot.

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Thanks Gregory, yes I can wait, looking forward to this.

The texts are not very interesting.

And it would be really work to translate it. I don't do is - that's too boring.

The younger work has no shame to alternate the system of the older.

The system of this book is rather primitive.

I don't fear, that you strand in German Lore, if would assume, that you find German nonsense.

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If you're really interested in a really interesting German lot book with indeed some historical value:

Here

or also as an overview
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=154222&highlight=donkey

Huck said:

The texts are not very interesting.

And it would be really work to translate it. I don't do is - that's too boring.

The younger work has no shame to alternate the system of the older.

The system of this book is rather primitive.

I don't fear, that you strand in German Lore, if would assume, that you find German nonsense.

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If you're really interested in a really interesting German lot book with indeed some historical value:

Here

or also as an overview
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=154222&highlight=donkey

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Thanks Huck, I remember that lot book from studying the Cary yale deck, too be honest I really liked it very cool, when reviewing it again i see the zodiac signs in it could I make correspondence to the Zodiac sing in the Minchiate deck? or would I be pushing it too far as usual. he he. I also see others I could put to as well. lol okay I am having way too much fun. thanks again

Please let me know if I have misunderstood you.

I can't explain it but here is some history of my background, I keep straying toward german lore

My granmother is Norse
My father dutch
My Oma family on her mothers husbands side German
My ex husband german

My family on all sides can be traced back before 1000AD, sorry I have to be careful here, but I am a descendant of royal blood line. hence my name on ones side of my family tree.

I own the book of throth and some very old rune books from my grandmother. My great grandmother was a Fay and passed down a very old book (like a book of shadows) of hers. I don ;t yet fully understand why I keep going in the direction that I am I have been doing this for years, I even did it with my Cary yale deck research too. weird. I am just so drawn to it. Maybe it's due to genealogy.

Edit: so here I am once again come full circle...lmbo My cary yale first tarot luv, and now Minchiate 2 tarot luv or is now the other way around. he he