Yygdrasilian's theory

Yygdrasilian

The Air & The Song

Yygdrasilian said:
Tracing the conversions through these directions makes a lemniscate (möbius strip) wrap around a staff shifting polarity:

........................N.......................
....................../....\.....................
..................../........\...................
...NW______/______\_____NE......
........\......../..............\....../.........
..........\...../................\..../..........
............\./.........;)........\./............
............/..\................../.\............
........../.....\.............../....\...........
....SW/____\_______/____\SE.......
....................\........./...................
......................\...../.....................
........................\../......................
.........................S........................

N ---> SW ---> :) ---> NE ---> S ---> N
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NW (Male) <------> SW (Female)
The NW (Male) <------> SW (Female) portion of this formula might also be conceived as a ring, in which case the STAR is converted into a symbol more akin to the yin-yang than a Caduceus. Thus, the metamorphosis of the symbol becomes an expression of Infinite Cycle. In either case, the Cipher Manuscript (or the tradition that gave rise to it) represents a method of transforming a static symbol into a dynamic one. Given that this key provides some very useful values for correcting the lunar-solar calendar, and the means to represent Sol Invictus 1 BC with Tarot cards (indexed by digital root), one is left to wonder whether we are looking at a system much older than the Cipher Manuscript... possibly even older than the Sepher Yetzirah.
 

Huck

Yygdrasilian said:
The NW (Male) <------> SW (Female) portion of this formula might also be conceived as a ring, in which case the STAR is converted into a symbol more akin to the yin-yang than a Caduceus. Thus, the metamorphosis of the symbol becomes an expression of Infinite Cycle. In either case, the Cipher Manuscript (or the tradition that gave rise to it) represents a method of transforming a static symbol into a dynamic one. Given that this key provides some very useful values for correcting the lunar-solar calendar, and the means to represent Sol Invictus 1 BC with Tarot cards (indexed by digital root), one is left to wonder whether we are looking at a system much older than the Cipher Manuscript... possibly even older than the Sepher Yetzirah.

Nice, that you drop in ecstasy ...

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the Yin - Yang pattern indeed creates nice mathematical structures - which naturally have no age, but exist "somehow" in eternity
.... and I really don't know, how you wish to improve the lunar-solar calendar with it .... with 5 and 73 ? ... with digital roots? With the Olympic year and a 2920?

The Meton cycle has 6940 days, btw ... :) ...
 

Yygdrasilian

Abraxas

RLG said:
We might also create fanciful 'constellations' and rearrange the digits of decimally-translated roman numerals in a subjective manner until we arrive at answers we already know in the first place, and then present this as proof that some astronomical genius incorporated this into the tarot, and then demur to defend this with little more than our own calculations.

It could be argued that there is a rationale to the form given each of these ‘fanciful’ constellations which is consistent with the tradition that has come to be known as The Hermetic Qabalah - and I am open to discussing them. Studying these arrangements, One may recognize how they can be fit together to form the Caduceus; and, as such, are a key to understanding the assertion that Tarot is The Book of Thoth.

Of particular interest is how, in the marriages of Sun & Moon, we see the positional astronomy of the Sol Invictus 1 BC represented at the heart of this Hermetic symbol. The following component of that intersection of glyphs (constellated by digital root), combined with the summation of trumps grouped by type, provides the fundamental divisors of the Metonic Cycle - which, in turn, is used to correct discrepancies within a Lunisolar calendar. [There is also a ‘trick’ for obtaining the Callippic cycle too!]

/6 ]’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘/6 ] . . . . 19=SUN=1
[6 ]- SUN - [6 ] . . . . 32=ELEMENTS=5
[VI]..../\....[XV] . . . . 127=ZODIAC=73
......../...\........
......./XIV\.......
........]....[.......
........].5.[.......
........].5.[.......
........].5.[.......
........].5.[.......
........]....[.......
........].V.[.......
...THE MOON...

I would make the case that other significant positional cycles are also indicated, but will refrain from detailing those here as they may be viewed in other posts already referenced in this thread. However, taking into consideration the role of Thoth as ‘scribe of the gods’ who “made the calculations concerning the establishing of the heavens, and the stars, and the earth...” (E.A.Budge, Gods of the Egyptians1), the presence of these particular integers might just be worthy of further inquiry to anyone interested in why certain notable occultists have chosen to give Tarot its eponymous title.

One would also do well to consider the system of constellations with respect to the alchemists’ Star Regulus of Antimony.
 

Bernice

Ygg:.........taking into consideration the role of Thoth as ‘scribe of the gods’ who “made the calculations concerning the establishing of the heavens, and the stars, and the earth...” (E.A.Budge, Gods of the Egyptians1)

Actually, Thoth 'assimilated' his calculative abilities from Sesheta (took over her abode (temple) and stole her position). Even his association with the Moon was also assimilated from another....

Bee :)
 

Yygdrasilian

The Book of Sesheta

Bernice said:
Actually, Thoth 'assimilated' his calculative abilities from Sesheta (took over her abode (temple) and stole her position). Even his association with the Moon was also assimilated from another....
And the lesson would be that humans have a tendency to assimilate different traditions into new ones - like pidgins becoming creoles. Certainly Tarot is no exception, as it has proven to be a highly adaptable syncretizing medium. The question is: does the interface of Tarot-Qabalah-Astrology merely represent this sort of coinciding, or is it the 'current form' given a ciphertext authored in more ancient times?
 

Bernice

Ygg: The question is: does the interface of Tarot-Qabalah-Astrology merely represent this sort of coinciding, or is it the 'current form' given a ciphertext authored in more ancient times?

I believe it's the current form. Nor can the Quablah-Astrology-I Ching - Runes etc. be 'coinciding'... Not a coincidence, because esoteric types have laboured long to include these various systems on the ToL - have a place/representation within it. I.E. The Western Mystery Tradition (from many sources) all rolled up into one package. Principally, to 'work' the Tree, not to divine.

Bee :)