Yygdrasilian's theory

Yygdrasilian

Atonement

א =1
ב =2
ג =3
ד =4
ה =5
ו =6
ז =7
ח =8
ט =9
י =10
כ =11
ל =12
מ =13
נ =14
ס =15
ע =16
פ =17
צ =18
ק =19
ר =20
ש =21
ת =22

Going down the line, the difference between these “incorrect” attributions and Crowley’s Tarot is One, except for his “flaws” - each off by 3 - which, once you adjust the Alpha and the Omega, sends them triumphantly winding through the constellations, as if to suggest some significance to the number 33.

Another coincidence?
 

Yygdrasilian

Cipher Sephera

1א =
ב =2
ג =3
ד =4
ה =5
ו =6
ז =7
ח =8
ט =9
י =10
כ =20
ל =30
מ =40
נ =50
ס =60
ע =70
פ =80
צ =90
ק =100
ר =200
ש =300
ת =400

These “correct” attributions add a layer to the “incorrect” Ones given above; a blind, perhaps, to non-initiates. Adding the numerals together do, however, give a key for clustering the letters together into constellations of symbols (e.g. 400=40=4).

So, the key would be something like: [x00=x0=x] then [x-1]

The 3 3 difference noted earlier also has a very interesting effect correlating to the Mayan Calendar:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1719611&postcount=7

The question then arises, who knew enough about this system and had the power to set our calendar at zero? And why?
 

Yygdrasilian

An Eye for an Eye...

To date I have outlined just a few of the calendrical anomalies to The Book of Thoth - any one of which might reasonably be called a coincidence in isolation; but, as they all fit elegantly within one system, I am making the case that this is a product of intentional design.

I trust the following index will offer much food for thought and reactivate our discussion of this theory.

Sun
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1759508&postcount=10
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1781997&postcount=18

Mercury
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1739837&postcount=8
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1800366&postcount=18

Venus
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1768854&postcount=17

Moon
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1759508&postcount=10
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1781997&postcount=18

Mars
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1770886&postcount=12
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1795847&postcount=16

Jupiter-Saturn
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1754572&postcount=16
http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1795326&postcount=19

Also-
Take this p0rtaL : 11, "the Key that includes Six"

/ 6 ] ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ' ' / 6 ]
.[6 ] --<(0)>-- .[6 ]
.[6 ] . . . . . . . . [6 ]

Place the Sun at the center; the Elements (Tetrahedron) around that; the Planets (Hexahedron) around them; & the Zodiac (Dodecahedron) encircling those. The values thus derived are used in conjunction with the 7 keys of METATRON to obtain Planetary Orbits & Synodic Cycles.
(see: http://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=1738410&postcount=15 )

As there is much to consider here concerning the origins of Christianity, Tarot and Kabbalah, as well as a possible link between the ancient Egyptian & Mayan civilizations, I hope my use of theatrics will not put off the serious historians using this forum from critically examining these findings.

Mahalo
 

lucifall

The Fool and Hanub'ku Mayan culture (also)on the RWS

Quote
"0=Winter Solstice + Center of Galaxy"

On a Dutch Tarot forumsite i wrote about the fool and Hanub'ku (the centre of the Galaxy of the Maya)

http://www.catharinaweb.nl/cathforum/index.php?topic=835.msg29708#msg29708

I will try to translate some pieces and add some:

Hunab K'u is the heart of the milkyway, (*The heart on the tunic of the fool)
The maya's called it the cosmic Womb. (* = 0 = Fool)
The place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar.
Hunab K'u is the One creator of measure (20) and movement (13),
the heart of the milkyway (0) where all measure (20) and movement(13) comes from.

Hunab k'u was seen as a transmitter of radiating energy/ information.
It uses stars as lenses to transmit energy to planets.
For Earth, the sun is the "head-transmitter" for the energy of hunab Ku.
It is the lense through which Earth receive direct galactical information.

The pulses of Hunab Ku were seen as a language, or code/energy stored in the Tzolkin, an universal harmonic module which bears every possible combination of Hunab k'u.
It is the holy Calender.

Hunab K'u is the numerical link between the numbers 13 and 20.
They represent measure and movement; energy and form, spirit and sole.

Symbol of Hunab'Ku is a square in a circle.
Hunab K'u is both the one and the other,
neither the one, nor the other.
It is male and female and still neutral.

Hunab k'u is the FOOL the ZERO 0

When we put card XXI above XII (21-12) we get an Ankh.
The mirror of Venus.
The Union of the Male and the Female. Union of Dualism.....
21 december: wintersolstice : mirror of Venus (=3(Venus)=12(Neptune/Water)=21(Saturn)

We also find the mayan culture back in Waite's card XIII and XX.
XIII the 13 Tones the 13 movements of the creation itself
XX the 20 sunsigns the 20 faces of creation

XX: 20: Men have 10 fingers and 10 toes which make him capable to touch
Heaven and Earth . Mayans believed Men were the connection
between Heaven and Earth.
On Judgement we see references to the 10 fingers.
The Arms reaching out to Heaven :associations with
the 10 fingers and toes which make the union between heaven and
Earth. The Will-Wish-ready2 be born again; wholeness.

XIII: 13: Life is movement. Therefor humans have 13 head joints.
On XIII we see the joints of the horseman.

The human egg needs 20 days to reach maturation, only then there is fecundation possible.
On the moment of conception the influxing strengths of man and woman melt into One and the egg reach life.
Within 260 days new life will be born. (260= 13 x 20)
 

Yygdrasilian

Cassandra Complex

lucifall said:
On a Dutch Tarot forumsite i wrote about the fool and Hanub'ku (the centre of the Galaxy of the Maya)

http://www.catharinaweb.nl/cathforum/index.php?topic=835.msg29708#msg29708

I will try to translate some pieces and add some...
Well, that’s all fine and good, but I think you might be missing the point of what I’m presenting here.

The Book of Thoth functions as a calendar for calculating the orbital and synodic cycles of the seven ‘planets’ known to the ancient world. This is the organizing principle behind its enumeration; which also indexes the cards into 9 groups, derived by reducing them to the sum of their constituents (e.g. 18: The Moon = 1+8 = 9, thus connecting it 9: The Hermit). These 9 chapters, or ‘constellations’ provide a hieroglyphic account of One’s journey through the Tree of Life - transmuting that glyph into Metatron’s Cube.

Indicated in these meta-symbolic formulae are the dates given for the both the beginning and end of the Mayan tzolkin, as well as the astrological configurations present at Dec. 25, Year 0. Taken with their association to the feathered serpent of the Caduceus presents a significant enigma regarding the historical forces that have shaped Tarot, and may relate directly to the origins of the Christian faith.

I’m sure your symbolic associations between Tarot and the Mayan calendar may have some validity in their own right, but they haven’t addressed any of these issues I’ve presented the Historical Research forum. Certainly, I am suggesting a possible link between Old and New World civilizations, but that is not to suggest that Tarot is itself the Mayan calendar - merely that both systems appear to be scrutinizing the same date for some, as yet unknown, reason.

Let us hope that the scholars of this forum, who are perhaps in a better position than most people to understand this system, take the time to learn how it works so we may better understand why this date has garnered so much attention.
 

Bernice

An interesting if somewhat complex theory Ygg :). But wouldn't you get a more enthusastic response in the Thoth thread, because your Mayan theory seems to be based on it?

I have an interest in the Mayan stone (Calendar) circles but there is no relationship to any of the tarots. However I expect it would be possible for someone to create a divinatory system between the two.

Bee :)
 

Yygdrasilian

The Pattern which Connects

Bernice said:
An interesting if somewhat complex theory Ygg :). But wouldn't you get a more enthusastic response in the Thoth thread, because your Mayan theory seems to be based on it?

I have an interest in the Mayan stone (Calendar) circles but there is no relationship to any of the tarots. However I expect it would be possible for someone to create a divinatory system between the two.
I am not proposing that Tarot is specifically a Mayan calendar. The Trumps do encode information that would have been relevant to ancient astronomers, and thus lends some credence to its eponymous title, The Book of Thoth; however, the origins of this 'system' are not limited to a consideration of the Crowley-Harris deck. At the very least, the calendar function is an organizing principle that explains the enumeration + glyphic attribution of the Trumps, and firmly establishes their connection to Kabbalah. Something which might interest a historian of Tarot cards...

Whether or not this may point to a direct and ancient link between Old & New World civilizations is a question that may, if one wishes, be considered separately. The orbital/synodic information is compelling in its own right and is, if not evidence of such cultural contact, at least indicative of similar methods with regard to charting periodic cycles in the heavens.

The whole winged snake, winter solstice 2012, Jesus-birthday angle is, admittedly, very weird. And I wouldn't have brought it up except for the fact that it kind of leaps right out at you once you piece together the calendar. If you think about its implications for a minute, whether you choose to believe it or not, well.... just try it, and you may find why no one really wants to discuss this 'theory'.
 

Bernice

Ygg: At the very least, the calendar function is an organizing principle that explains the enumeration + glyphic attribution of the Trumps, and firmly establishes their connection to Kabbalah.
Historically speaking there is no firm establishment of a connection between the Trumps and the Kabbalah.

Ygg: If you think about its implications for a minute, whether you choose to believe it or not, well.... just try it, and you may find why no one really wants to discuss this 'theory'.

Perhaps it's because discussions of a connection between the Kabbalah and early/original Trumps has been done to death, and none can be found. Also, the early Trumps wern't numbered....... there was no enumeration. Check out other threads in this History section re. the earliest known Trumps. They were created/designed in Italy and Spain.

Bee :)
 

Yygdrasilian

“Because there is nothing else to spur it, but wings...”

Bernice said:
Historically speaking there is no firm establishment of a connection between the Trumps and the Kabbalah.... Also, the early Trumps wern't numbered....... there was no enumeration.
Yep- and when the numbers did begin to show they weren’t exactly the same as Crowley’s scheme; and astrological glyphs didn’t appear till Ettiella; and the Hebrew letter attributions vary from deck to deck same as pathways differ from one version of the Tree of Life to the next... I’m aware.

Certainly, any esoteric tradition that has maintained the sanctity of its arcanum wouldn’t have advertised the ‘true function’ of Tarot to non-initiates. Considering the customary fate of ‘heretics’ in 15th century Italy, it seems a rather unreasonable assumption that we would find any explicit evidence linking the Trumps' design to Kabbalah. And, given the implications of its use as a calendar and its encoding of Jesus’ birthday (for starters), there are very good reasons why this system would need to have been encrypted for the protection of both the cards themselves and the people ‘behind’ them.

(Is it unreasonable to suspect a link between Count Matteo Maria Boiardo and Leon Battista Alberti in the development of such an enciphered system?)

Even now, with the blinds removed, it evades the attention of most Tarot-philes; but there is most definitely a functional calendar system there - an artifice of intentional design - that Crowley did not invent and cannot be the product of mere chance. To discover its origins may require a different approach to historical research than just sifting through old manuscripts and court documents; which isn't to say that there is no value in that activity. But we should recognize that, due to its clandestine development, we may have to work ‘backwards’ to some extent - examining the implications of this system to get an idea of how and where we might look for ‘actual evidence.’

And the first step in that direction would be...
 

prudence

I thought Jesus' birthday was figured out to be sometime during the summer months...more like June. ?