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Feminine Visconti
eugim
Hello Reine de Saba...
1-Too erroneous I was ?
Pisanello ( 1395-1455 )
Botticelli ( 1445-1510 ) / A pupil of Marsilio Ficino school btw...
2-http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sforza
eugim
1-Too erroneous I was ?
Pisanello ( 1395-1455 )
Botticelli ( 1445-1510 ) / A pupil of Marsilio Ficino school btw...
2-http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sforza
eugim
reine de saba
Hi eugim,
I nearly missed your reply (off line for a week or two and finally someone answers!), and from one lover of Uncle Marsiglio to another (always happy to find one)...
I wouldn't say too erroneous, no. there is that tendency in Botticelli to seek for that rarefied, pure face that you speak of, the face of the soul. If I read and understood her correctly, however, Brighteye was wondering not just at an androgynous face, but at a rounded face- and that seems to lose its hold about mid century.
Botticelli was ten when Pisanello was dead,of that last generation drawing, for instance, those little round chins. Even B's masters, Verrocchio and Lippo Lippi were not too strong on the baby face of gothic international. It was never quite as prevalent in republican Florence as it was in the more northerly, and especially the courts.
No surprise that trionfi would have that 'look'
hope this helps
saba
I nearly missed your reply (off line for a week or two and finally someone answers!), and from one lover of Uncle Marsiglio to another (always happy to find one)...
I wouldn't say too erroneous, no. there is that tendency in Botticelli to seek for that rarefied, pure face that you speak of, the face of the soul. If I read and understood her correctly, however, Brighteye was wondering not just at an androgynous face, but at a rounded face- and that seems to lose its hold about mid century.
Botticelli was ten when Pisanello was dead,of that last generation drawing, for instance, those little round chins. Even B's masters, Verrocchio and Lippo Lippi were not too strong on the baby face of gothic international. It was never quite as prevalent in republican Florence as it was in the more northerly, and especially the courts.
No surprise that trionfi would have that 'look'
hope this helps
saba
eugim
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1-Italian Art tends to do a synthesis always,just because "they" did the best art,so they know do how best how...
eugim
1-Italian Art tends to do a synthesis always,just because "they" did the best art,so they know do how best how...
eugim
DeToX
Necroing here...I was looking at the Sola Busca and there appears to be only one female person in the trumps. Does this make the deck more limited or specialised in its application as a reading deck than an 18th or 19th C. tarot?
Chimera Dust
I think it's about the art style and what was considered attractive. If you look at many portraits of young men of the time, you'll see that they have somewhat androgynous looks by our modern standards.
Although I believe there's a Visconti-Sforza deck that has female knights and pages (in addition to male ones, I believe) so perhaps that's what you came across?
Well, Caterina wasn't born yet at the time most of the Visconti-Sforza decks were made, much less look the way she did in that portrait. I think that the latest dates attributed to any cards would place the last ones in her early infancy. But you're right, most women in her family had similar features.
When it comes to the men, some of them had rather round faces and such as well. I mean, look at one of Caterina's half-brothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gian_Galeazzo_II._Maria_Sforza.jpg .
Ultimately, I think it was just what was fashionable for young young men back in the day, and which we now read as being "feminine".
Although I believe there's a Visconti-Sforza deck that has female knights and pages (in addition to male ones, I believe) so perhaps that's what you came across?
No real answers to that question. It may have just been a personal style. It may also be because some members of his patron family:
had faces like that.
Now, Caterina Sforza was much better looking:
Love her eyes. Despite being painted in the half-asleep mode typical of Renaissance women's portraits, she still seems like she had a quite lively intelligence, and was capable of all sorts of things. . .
Ahem. But she still had a rather round face. They may be idealized portraits of the Visconti-Sforzas.
Well, Caterina wasn't born yet at the time most of the Visconti-Sforza decks were made, much less look the way she did in that portrait. I think that the latest dates attributed to any cards would place the last ones in her early infancy. But you're right, most women in her family had similar features.
When it comes to the men, some of them had rather round faces and such as well. I mean, look at one of Caterina's half-brothers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gian_Galeazzo_II._Maria_Sforza.jpg .
Ultimately, I think it was just what was fashionable for young young men back in the day, and which we now read as being "feminine".
