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If you do an adjustment to your chart to 'correct it' (ie. precess it to align with a sidereal system ) you will notice that the relationship of the planets with each other and the Sun is not effected ... it is the 'backdrop' of stars (or signs) that changes nearly 30 degrees so some of your dynamics will be the same but work in different areas. eg. I am tropically a Cancer and I do feel quiet Cancerian at times and some close friends will not have it any other way as they KNOW I am a Cancer from close observation. But what are they saying about me? I am a Cancer - what does that mean? What they appear to be saying is that when I was born the Sun was 'in' the sign of Cancer and I exhibit traits associated with Cancer (and I do too). Yet I have always had a 'problem' that I become analytical and move away from that Cancarian nature and some friends and family dont like that. Sidereally I am 'a Gemini' (the actuall backdrop of the stars behind the Sun when I was born.) I Know I am a Gemini and relate to that ... so whats going on? Casual aquaintences pick me as Gemini quiet quickly - it so obvious. But with the precession of my Sun from Cancer to Gemini, my Moon goes from Leo to Cancer (because although all relationships WITHIN the wheel stay the same, they all move together), intimate friends whom I share my self and feelings with via my Moon easily detect my Cancerian nature , but others, often to whom my Moon is occluded see my Gemini. So although I could convince myself that I am a Cancer quiet easily it causes problems figuring out certain dynamics in relationships and with myself. Now that I understand my Cancerian energy comes thru my Moon and Gemini via my Sun, quiet a few confusions in my life and about myself have cleared up.
Yes. I have had people show me books and charts and exclaim how accurate they are (to them) while others listening are laughing silently that this only describes the persons illusions about themselves and all can see a very different personality at work in their relationships to them.
Tropical astrology, by nature of measuring houses starting at 0 deg. Aries as the Equinoctal point is not a cosmic system. The equinoctal point has no existence or reality outside of the Earths viewpoint (as it is formed by a relationship between the tilt of the Earths axis in relation to the plane of the Solar System). Therefore it is measuring seasonal progression. One might as well say that one is a June/July instead of a Cancer.
Now I full realise that a baby born amidst the short days and cold wheather of mid-winter can be differently programmed than one born in long hot days and that is one astrologicaly dynamic, but what about the stella and cosmic influences portending to our time of birth? How are we to correctly understand this greater and more spiritual destiny (ie. our own true self and path as opposed to one expected of us or mapped out for us) if we dont have an accurate map of the stella influences?
sapienza said:It is interesting because (in western tropical astrology) I am a strong Sag with Aquarian stuff and with lots of Capricorn as well. So the Sag/Aqu part of me loves astrology but the Cap part is constantly reminding me that this is a load of garbage because there is no logical basis for it at all. And yet, it works for me. All of it. The more I look at the it more it fits.
If you do an adjustment to your chart to 'correct it' (ie. precess it to align with a sidereal system ) you will notice that the relationship of the planets with each other and the Sun is not effected ... it is the 'backdrop' of stars (or signs) that changes nearly 30 degrees so some of your dynamics will be the same but work in different areas. eg. I am tropically a Cancer and I do feel quiet Cancerian at times and some close friends will not have it any other way as they KNOW I am a Cancer from close observation. But what are they saying about me? I am a Cancer - what does that mean? What they appear to be saying is that when I was born the Sun was 'in' the sign of Cancer and I exhibit traits associated with Cancer (and I do too). Yet I have always had a 'problem' that I become analytical and move away from that Cancarian nature and some friends and family dont like that. Sidereally I am 'a Gemini' (the actuall backdrop of the stars behind the Sun when I was born.) I Know I am a Gemini and relate to that ... so whats going on? Casual aquaintences pick me as Gemini quiet quickly - it so obvious. But with the precession of my Sun from Cancer to Gemini, my Moon goes from Leo to Cancer (because although all relationships WITHIN the wheel stay the same, they all move together), intimate friends whom I share my self and feelings with via my Moon easily detect my Cancerian nature , but others, often to whom my Moon is occluded see my Gemini. So although I could convince myself that I am a Cancer quiet easily it causes problems figuring out certain dynamics in relationships and with myself. Now that I understand my Cancerian energy comes thru my Moon and Gemini via my Sun, quiet a few confusions in my life and about myself have cleared up.
sapienza said:And so I wonder if whatever system we use to learn about ourself is irrelevant and its accuracy is also irrelevant because what we 'see' in the system is just a mirror of our self and our own processes anyway. Does that even make sense? This is getting a bit long-winded. I'll leave it with you.
sapienza
Yes. I have had people show me books and charts and exclaim how accurate they are (to them) while others listening are laughing silently that this only describes the persons illusions about themselves and all can see a very different personality at work in their relationships to them.
Tropical astrology, by nature of measuring houses starting at 0 deg. Aries as the Equinoctal point is not a cosmic system. The equinoctal point has no existence or reality outside of the Earths viewpoint (as it is formed by a relationship between the tilt of the Earths axis in relation to the plane of the Solar System). Therefore it is measuring seasonal progression. One might as well say that one is a June/July instead of a Cancer.
Now I full realise that a baby born amidst the short days and cold wheather of mid-winter can be differently programmed than one born in long hot days and that is one astrologicaly dynamic, but what about the stella and cosmic influences portending to our time of birth? How are we to correctly understand this greater and more spiritual destiny (ie. our own true self and path as opposed to one expected of us or mapped out for us) if we dont have an accurate map of the stella influences?