Aeclectic Tarot
Tarot Cards & Reviews Free Tarot Readings Tarot Books Tarot Card Meanings Forum Archive

Visiting Italy soon, where can I see old cards?

  > Aeclectic Tarot Forum > Tarot Special Interest > Tarot History & Development


 
goodbunny  goodbunny is offline
Resident
 
Join Date: 13 Nov 2015
Location: NS, Canada
Posts: 1
goodbunny 
Resident
Question Visiting Italy soon, where can I see old cards?


I'm vacationing in Italy in May, and I am very interested in historical Tarot cards (as well as regular playing cards.) I'll be in Venice, Ferrara, Bologna, Florence, and Rome. Unfortunately I won't be able to visit Milan or Piedmont, but I know from my studies that Venice, Ferrara, and Bologna were all historically card producing regions. Although I've looked at images of many 15th and 16th century cards, its rarely advertised where the originals can be viewed.

So my question is this: Does anybody know of any museums, galleries, or libraries which have original tarot or playing cards on public display?
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #1
Huck  Huck is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 02 Jul 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,682
Huck 
Citizen

http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/home.htm

.... might be possibly useful
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #2
MikeH  MikeH is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Oregon USA
Posts: 443
MikeH 
Citizen

I was in all these places you list in Oct. 2014 and didn't know of or see any historical cards on display, and also not in Milan, which has dozens of them. They don't routinely put cards on display, because it causes them to fade. The only exhibition of historic Italian tarot cards that I know of currently is in New York, until April 17. After that, New Haven is worth trying, but phone the Beinecke Library well ahead of time to be sure. They might bring their cards out for you to look at. In Italy, as far as I know, they aren't set up for that. As it is, the only place with historic cards is the Brera Gallery in Milan; perhaps Bergamo, but it seems to me that it is now all at the Brera.

Your best bet for seeing cards in Italy is by way of their reproductions in books. Even that is not easy. Some books are hard to get outside of Italy, because the online ordering for many bookstores is often not set up for paypal or foreign credit cards. I know that is true of the Palais Royale in Milan. I couldn't order online the catalog they were selling in the gift shop. Fortunately, it appeared 6 months after the show (not tarot related) closed, on amazon.it. In relation to the tarot, many Italian books are simply out of print, which is not to say they aren't in some bookstore somewhere. As for pictures of the cards, however, most of the interesting ones are already on the Web.

What you can see in the cities you mention is tarot-related imagery in churches. For example, San Petronio Basilica in Bologna--in the dead center of the town, the Piazza Maggiore-- has the fresco of hell with hanged men and the Bolognese tarot's Devil. It is in Chapel IV, the Chapel of the Magi. Wikipedia says that it has twice been the target of terrorist attacks, since one of the hanged men is Mohammed.

Also in Bologna are the "Triumph of fame" and "triumph of death" frescoes by Costa, in the church of San Giocomo Maggiore. That church is hardly ever open, and that chapel, the Bentivoglio, is open even more rarely, but you might get lucky (I was), if there is some event going on there.

Bologna is close to Modena, which has the Da Sphaere, with many PMB-like images, all done shortly after the cards, by a different artist. It is supposedly on exhibit, one page anyway, probably under low light. There are pretty good images of it on the Web.

Ferrara has the Schifanoia Palace, which is somehow related to the tarot in various obscure ways. Be sure to go into the room at the end. It has a nice feel.

Venice is close to Padua, which has Giotto's 7 virtues and 7 vices in the Scrovegni Chapel (not part of any church); it requires timed reservations and is worth the bother. It is all beautifully restored, and you'd never guess it was done in c. 1305, as opposed to 2 centuries later.

Florence has the painting of Dante with the world of the Divine Comedy, which I find significant for the tarot. It is in the Duomo, but much easier to see on the Web.

None of these are any better in person than they are in reproduction on the Web. In fact the lighting is often worse. But perhaps there is an invisible spirit that you will somehow pick up.

Be sure to look on the Web before you go, for any special exhibitions in any of the cities you plan to go that might be tarot-related. That involves knowing what places have special exhibitions. In Florence, the Accademia, the Strozzi Palace, the Pitti Palace. In Rome: the Barberini Palace. And doubtless many more in all the places you are going.

Italy is absolutely the most exciting place in the world to visit. But then I am prejudiced. The Italians are wonderful, too. And you are going at a good time of year.
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #3
gregory's Avatar
gregory  gregory is offline
Cat on a cold stone roof
 
Join Date: 01 Jan 2004
Location: The world of the things that could have been.
Posts: 72,249
gregory 
Cat on a cold stone roof

gregory's Avatar

Italy is great; the Museo may well have some old decks (I was there but more looking at newer stuff.) You could email Morena - I can give you an address if it isn't on the website.

If you can POSSIBLY stop over in Paris, the Playing Card Museum in Issy (just off the end of the Metro !) has LOADS of old decks on display - it is absolutely fabulous.

As for tarot connected places - check out the tour Arnell arranges for a list of where they go.

http://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/home.htm and click on the tarothistory tour button.
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #4
Iolon  Iolon is offline
Resident
 
Join Date: 04 Nov 2013
Location: Benin (West Africa)
Posts: 15
Iolon 
Resident

I was in Italy last autumn. I visited Milano, Bergamo, Bologna, Ferrara, Florence, Naples and the Museo dei Tarocchi. This last museum is beautiful, with plenty of art pieces dedicated to the Tarot, but no old decks. The only place where you find 15th century cards exposed is in the Accademia Carrara in Bergamo where 26 cards of the Visconti Sforza deck are in permanent exposition. These cards are absolutely beautiful, no image on the internet can rival with a confrontation with the original cards. If you want to see old cards, go to Bergamo, there are no alternatives in Italy. All other 15th century cards are or not in exposition, or outside Italy.
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #5
Ludophone  Ludophone is offline
Resident
 
Join Date: 07 Mar 2016
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 24
Ludophone 
Resident

Of all the European countries with long and great histories regarding playing cards, Italy dissapoints when it comes to museums and exhibitions. Italy is quite likely the first country in Europe to get them but does not have its own playing card society like Spain, Germany, Austria, etc. If you want to see old Italian cards, go to New Haven, Leinfelden-Echterdingen, Vitoria-Gasteiz, Turnhout, Paris, but not Italy. Perhaps Sylvia Mann put it best: Italians are violent with their cards. One long train ride and they're finished.
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #6
Michael Sternbach's Avatar
Michael Sternbach  Michael Sternbach is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 942
Michael Sternbach 
Citizen

Michael Sternbach's Avatar

I just learned that in Tuscany, there is a Tarot garden.

http://ilgiardinodeitarocchi.it/en/

Unique.
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #7
gregory's Avatar
gregory  gregory is offline
Cat on a cold stone roof
 
Join Date: 01 Jan 2004
Location: The world of the things that could have been.
Posts: 72,249
gregory 
Cat on a cold stone roof

gregory's Avatar

It is indeed - it is absolutely fantastic. And HOT
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #8
Michael Sternbach's Avatar
Michael Sternbach  Michael Sternbach is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 942
Michael Sternbach 
Citizen

Michael Sternbach's Avatar

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregory View Post
It is indeed - it is absolutely fantastic. And HOT
Could you tell us more about it?
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #9
gregory's Avatar
gregory  gregory is offline
Cat on a cold stone roof
 
Join Date: 01 Jan 2004
Location: The world of the things that could have been.
Posts: 72,249
gregory 
Cat on a cold stone roof

gregory's Avatar

What did you want to know ? It is made up of HUGE (you can go into a lot of them) sculptures by Niki de St Phalle (much like the ones in her tarot deck) - she completed almost all the majors; she died a few years ago and when we last went, the staff said they were NOT finishing anything off for her - I HOPE they stuck to that. She used to live in the Empress, so generally that was off limits.

The video clips on that website are pretty good. You can see the place for MILES, not least because the sculptures are covered with mosaicy things and mirror buts that catch the light. She was much influenced by Gaudi, and if you've been to Parc GŁell in Barcelona - the bright coloured statuary there is very like Niki's work - well, I should say her work is very like it, as he started it !

I cant post photos just now, as I am in Canada and my photos aren't - but those video clips are very good. It's in a hilly field rather in the middle of nowhere, and it really DOES get hot. Strength is a lovely green dragon; the Hermit is silvery and awesome - what can I say - look at the vids, and if anyone needs photos, when I get back at the end of the month, I will post some. I have HUNDREDS...
Need answers now? Get 50% off your first live Tarot session!     Top   #10


 


Tarot Cards & Reviews Free Tarot Readings Tarot Books Tarot Card Meanings Forum Archive
Aeclectic Tarot Forum Links
· Tarot
· Tarot Special Interest
· Beyond Tarot
· Forum Library

Aeclectic Tarot Categories
· Angel Decks
· Dark & Gothic Decks
· Goddess Decks
· Fairy Decks
· Doreen Virtue Decks
· Beginner Decks
· Cat Decks
· Pagan & Wiccan Decks
· Ancient Egyptian Decks
· Celtic Decks
· Lenormand Decks
· Rider-Waite Decks
· Marseilles Decks
· Thoth Decks
· Oracle Decks
· List All Decks
· Popular Tarot Decks
· Available Decks
· Tarot Books
· What's New

Copyright © 1996 - 2017 Aeclectic Tarot. All rights reserved. Privacy Policy. Contact us.