Thanks for your natal details and the quotes from your Astrologer
Pacificwaters said:
This is what he stated and the reasons behind it, according to him
- 4th house is regarding an individuals “home”, family happiness, his mother and his father in law.
- 6th house is of illness and enemies
Therefore whichever planet may be the lord of the 4th house, if it is placed in 6th house (Sun in my case) illnesses and tensions become a problem while staying in an “owned house”. This formed the basis regarding my question about owning a house. Discussing about the remedy with him, well he is of the view that a rented house would suit me more than an “owned one”. As I stated above I just 2 years back realized my dream of owning a house, especially because staying in a rented house comes with its own share of practical problems – escalating rents and the whims of your landlord!! Besides now that I have my own house, I would never like to stay in a rented house again…!!!!!!
There are two issues here, as far as I can see (and possibly more). The first is the interpretation given above, in it's own terms and the second is the difference between Western Astrology and Vedic (which makes direct comparison very difficult)
Firstly in terms of the interpretation that he gave you I can and do see the logic of it. However I think he's putting too much weight on ownership here - even in a vedic context. I've taken the trouble to check up on a couple of vedic websites and my copy of Komilla Sutton and whilst his use of houses is correct, they all seem to see problems with Lord 4 being in the sixth as showing up in the domestic environment or family issues (and it seems that vedic Astrology transposes the houses of the father and mother, relative to Western placement, so you are quite right in your original statement about the fourth being the house of the father-in-law) So renting your home does not insulate you from this trouble (assuming it materialises) - you could still have issues regarding your in-laws, your mother or your home, in terms of its fabric and condition.
For the second point, you need to be aware of at least two significant differences between Vedic and Western Astrology in terms of casting the chart and these two differences are very likely to lead a Western Astrologer to a different conclusion.
The first difference is the zodiac used - Vedic Astrology uses a sidereal zodiac - one based on the stars, whereas Western Astrology uses one based on the equinoxes and solstices - the tropical zodiac. About the time that Alexander the Great invaded India in the fourth Century BCE, these two zodiacs were very much in line and it's very likely that the horoscopic chart was introduced into India by the Greek invaders. However by the early first Millennium CE there was a noticeable difference between the seasons and the sidereal zodiac - the equinox no longer occurred in Aries, but shifted into Pisces. Over the last two thousand years this 'gap' has widened. So in a Vedic Astrology your birth occured under the sign of Libra, whereas in Western Astrology your birth occured under the sign of Scorpio (incidentally we share the same birthday) As Greek control over North West India had long since ended, the debates that almost certainly went on in the Hellenisitic and Roman world over what steps if any to do about the perceived shift of the equinoxes against the stars, were not echoed in India. We have almost nothing surviving over this debate but we do know that the Astrologer/Astronomer Ptolemy stressed the advantage of the tropical zodiac and that is what ended up being used here. In realith it's possible Ptolemy was in a minority, but it was his works that survived the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West and were used both by later Arab and Persian Astrologers and passed back into the West.
Secondly the Greeks introduced their own house system into India - the Whole Sign system. This held in the West until the early middle ages, but gradually gave way to a system based on the four cardinal points Ascendant/Descendent and MC/IC (also developed by the Greeks) and which gives unequal houses. So your Astrologer is actually using the original horoscopic system and one that a number of Western traditionalists are re-examining (though combined with the tropical zodiac)
I've attached a copy of your natal chart, as I would prepare it (and it's going to be almost exactly the same, produced by other Western Astrologers. As you can see the switch to a Tropical Zodiac doesn't really alter the 'shape' of the planets' positions in the chart. I don't use the outer two planets or the various other dwarfs, asteroids, etc used by many Western Astrologers, so when you compare it to a Vedic chart the similarity of 'shape' will be reasonably obvious - the only thing being that I use the Western circular chart, not the traditional square chart used in the West until the eighteenth century and still used in India)
However, if you look more closely you will see that your Ascendant is in Gemini, not Taurus and that the sign on the fourth (which begins at the IC) is Virgo, which makes Lord 4 Mercury.
If you look at the position of Mercury, you will see that he lies in the fifth House, not the sixth (as indeed so does the Sun and Venus). So sickness due to your home or property, mother, in-laws or from finding buried treasure, etc is not something that would even occur to me. Instead, the fifth House placement of Lord 4 would suggest that it expresses itself through fun, joy, lesiure and children. Indeed with Venus in the fifth, where it naturally joys, you have a fifth house that is likely to be rewarding.
That being said, you still have Saturn conjunct the IC (the fourth cusp) and that Saturn is Peregrine (no essential dignity) so there may still be issues with fourth house matters and you still need to exercise some care There is some good news in that Saturn in Virgo is ruled by Mercury and is sextile to Mercury, so Saturn is received into Virgo by Mercury and is less likely to be a source of trouble than if no such aspect existed. Saturn also opposes the MC, so you might find it shows up more in a conflict between home life and career or even clashes with your mother or indeed your father-in-law (signified by the tenth in Western Astrology).
So we both agree that relations with your father in law might be strained but I don't that you'll have problems at home, through owning your own house (though Saturn may bring other issues). I won't even go into who's right or wrong here, as two different Astrological systems are in play, all that I would say is that I don't think a vedic interpretation has to focus solely on home ownership as a cause of problems.
You are quite right. Fatalistic and deterministic approaches - a very apt word here. I dont know how and what remedies the Western astrology advices, but in the astrology practiced in India it is usually about doing certain holy rituals, wearing stones (I never do this) or visiting certain shrines. Since you are a student of astrology, I think you might be knowing about these practices...
There may well be some New Age Astrologers out there who would agree with the use of gemstones or attuning their chakras, and there may well be something to that. There is though, an old proverb that the gods help those who help themselves - so dealing with issues requires you to change behaviour and act in a way that minimises the risks and perhaps seeks new opportunities. That's not inimical with wearing gemstones but it's based on the idea that propitiating the gods is not enough or even needed in a superstitious sense.
) I can only quote what I was told, without a logic for it...
