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Lucca Tarocchi
The given picture likely
These two pictures (both from the same source) were on the web, an older address stopped to worked, but I'd saved it. Thy likely belong to a catalog of an exhibition in Schaffhausen in 1988. Then only 1 complete Lucca Tarocchi existed (according Sylvia Mann), but already others incomplete with less trumps.
About 1990 Sylvia Mann reported about the Lucca Tarocchi ("All cards on the table", exhibition catalog in 1990/91):
In the 2000s I found an auction report:
The text declared: "Orfeo Tarot Pack (Tarot Lucchhese or Tarot di Lucca). Lucca, Italy, ca. 1730. 57/69 [?]. The total number of cards in a complete pack is unknown, as is the date of publication. Missing: 2 & 5 of Cups, 5 & 7 of Batons, 7 of Swords and all seven trumps IX to XV. Only two packs thought to be complete are known."
So the auctioneer declared, that there were two complete decks then. I've no confirmation for that.
The 6 pictures were given in a larger version:
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Recently a discussion about the Lucca Tarocchi started ...
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=251970&page=4
(last post at the page)
I describe the discussion ...
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Now I got the info, that two full 69 Lucca Tarocchi existed, not only one.
The opposite hypothesis must now be, that two full Minchiate decks (97 cards) lost the same 28 cards. The probability for such a curious accident is extremely low, I just state "less than 1 / 1.000.000", but it should be much less (I'm too lazy to calculate it ... maybe somebody else is interested).
For 21 trumps alone the same card combination of "13 of 21" cards should have a probability of c. "1 / 200.000" ... but for a Minchiate "13 of 41" the same combination should have again "less than 1 / 1.000.000" and again it should be in reality much less.
"The Lucca Tarocchi existed" ... with a very, very, very, very little insecurity in this statement. Naturally only, if indeed really two full 69-cards-Lucca-Tarocchi exist and nobody cheated to get the second (by reducing a 97-cards-Minchiate deck to 69 cards in younger time).
Maybe indeed just only a Minchiate deck production existed, and the 69-cards-accident appeared as a consequence of a game rule, which reduced the 97 cards to 69 ... as it might have happened comparable in the Stubai-valley, which played Tarock or "Troggn" in a version with 66 cards (in younger time at least they bought 78 card decks from Piatnik in Vienna and reduced it to 66 cards ... described at Pagat.com). This naturally might have resulted in many remaining 66 card-decks, which had always the same 12 cards missing ... without any very mysterious accident. And something similar we can't exclude also in the case of the Lucca Tarocchi.
The given picture likely
These two pictures (both from the same source) were on the web, an older address stopped to worked, but I'd saved it. Thy likely belong to a catalog of an exhibition in Schaffhausen in 1988. Then only 1 complete Lucca Tarocchi existed (according Sylvia Mann), but already others incomplete with less trumps.
About 1990 Sylvia Mann reported about the Lucca Tarocchi ("All cards on the table", exhibition catalog in 1990/91):
In the 2000s I found an auction report:
The text declared: "Orfeo Tarot Pack (Tarot Lucchhese or Tarot di Lucca). Lucca, Italy, ca. 1730. 57/69 [?]. The total number of cards in a complete pack is unknown, as is the date of publication. Missing: 2 & 5 of Cups, 5 & 7 of Batons, 7 of Swords and all seven trumps IX to XV. Only two packs thought to be complete are known."
So the auctioneer declared, that there were two complete decks then. I've no confirmation for that.
The 6 pictures were given in a larger version:
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Recently a discussion about the Lucca Tarocchi started ...
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=251970&page=4
(last post at the page)
I describe the discussion ...
At http://i-p-c-s.org/problist.html this info was given ...
"10. An extraordinary type of Tarot pack, using Minchiate designs for many but not all of the cards, with 56 suit cards, the Matto and only twelve trumps (missing all those below the IX, including of course the Bagatto) appears to have been peculiar to Lucca. For what game was this used?
[March 2012: An incomplete Orfeo pack in Mr. Stuart Kaplan's collection, that was offered at auction in 2006 (auction catalogue, no. 128), yielded some of the missing trumps, namely: IIII-VI, VIII, XIII, XV, XXII, XXIIII-XXVIII, XXX, XXXIIII. Therefore, it is possible that all Orfeo packs were in fact regular Minchiate packs.]"
This was interpreted as evidence, that the Lucca-Tarocchi with 69 cards didn't exist, but that it just was just a Minchiate deck with with a loss of cards. I gave this comment.
"The problem "10" spoke about a 69-cards-Tarocchi-game ... the note of March 2012 includes cards, which belong to Minchiate and so not to Tarocchi and also not to the specific Lucca Tarocchi. So somehow both text belong to different fields, "10" to the Lucca Tarocchi and the other to a game with name Minchiate or Gallerini or Ganellini ...
The producer "Orfeo" (or the man behind this advertisement) might have produced just different decks."
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Now I got the info, that two full 69 Lucca Tarocchi existed, not only one.
The opposite hypothesis must now be, that two full Minchiate decks (97 cards) lost the same 28 cards. The probability for such a curious accident is extremely low, I just state "less than 1 / 1.000.000", but it should be much less (I'm too lazy to calculate it ... maybe somebody else is interested).
For 21 trumps alone the same card combination of "13 of 21" cards should have a probability of c. "1 / 200.000" ... but for a Minchiate "13 of 41" the same combination should have again "less than 1 / 1.000.000" and again it should be in reality much less.
"The Lucca Tarocchi existed" ... with a very, very, very, very little insecurity in this statement. Naturally only, if indeed really two full 69-cards-Lucca-Tarocchi exist and nobody cheated to get the second (by reducing a 97-cards-Minchiate deck to 69 cards in younger time).
Maybe indeed just only a Minchiate deck production existed, and the 69-cards-accident appeared as a consequence of a game rule, which reduced the 97 cards to 69 ... as it might have happened comparable in the Stubai-valley, which played Tarock or "Troggn" in a version with 66 cards (in younger time at least they bought 78 card decks from Piatnik in Vienna and reduced it to 66 cards ... described at Pagat.com). This naturally might have resulted in many remaining 66 card-decks, which had always the same 12 cards missing ... without any very mysterious accident. And something similar we can't exclude also in the case of the Lucca Tarocchi.