tmgrl2
Kwaw, what an equisite post!
One I will reread from time to time.
Thank you.
terri
One I will reread from time to time.
Thank you.
terri
Moongold said:In its symbolism, the Marseille does not so directly connect the Moon with II La Papesse as do the later Tarot decks. In my Marseilles La Papesse is simply a woman. There is no Moon in her image, unless one counts the jewels on her headdress. I wonder in fact, if the designers of the first Marseille ever made the connection in the way that we do now. In one way this is interesting because it invites all of us, male and female, to confront the stereotypes, the ancient constructions in a slightly different way.
....La Papesse finds her correspondence in the qualities and flaws of La Lune. Her understanding emanates from her feelings and sensations and are not the work of analysis or logic. She "knows" because of her intuition and not because of her reason. These definitions could equally be applied to qualities of the sign of Cancer, another water element. This sign speaks of the past, of memory.
roppo said:Well, traditionally the Moon has been associated with strange ideas and conceits, may I be permitted to post here my latest wild guess.
Recently I pondered on the d'Este cards; the Diogenes-Sun card especially took my heart. As far as I know Diogenes appears nowhere but on the d'Este. Where did he go?
With the question in my mind I browsed and consulted some books till I found a very interesting thing. My Radom House Dictionary shows a picture of crayfish with its Latin name "Cambarus diogenes". Later I found the hermit crab family is called "diogenes". I am no etymologist and have no idea how these sea-creatures were called in 16th or 17th centuries Europe. Some one with definte knowledge would be greatly welcome!
I am under the impression that in early cards the astronomical three, Star & Moon & Sun, are interchangeable in their designs. If the crayfish of Marsaille is another figure of Diogenes, then the dogs might be easily explained; the philosopher is often depicted with his canine friends.