The Ur Deck

catboxer

In our search for the Ur Deck we've looked closely at the various Visconti decks, the few surviving early cards from Ferrara, and the early Marseille prototypes.

The problem with the Italian hand-painted cards is that none of them are numbered, and there are, in addition, serious questions concerning how many trumps these various decks originally contained. There is fairly strong evidence that the Cary-Yale Deck had only 16 trumps, following the pattern established by the earlier gods-and-birds pack -- a true tarot predecessor -- commissioned by Filippo Maria Visconti in the early part of the 15th century. At least one of our resident experts has theorized that the Visconti-Sforza Deck was a 14-by-five production (14 trumps plus four suits of fourteen cards each), and has put forth strong evidence in support of that argument. I have reservations about accepting that conclusion, for reasons I'd rather not go into right now. But the fact remains that we don't know precisely where the pattern for the tarot we use today came from, or when and where it first came to light.

It seems to me that we've neglected a couple of very valuable pieces of evidence that might help us answer these questions. These are several uncut sheets of very early cheap Italian tarots, printed from woodblocks and colored with stencils. Their provenance is not precisely known, but they came from somewhere in northern Italy, and were made in the late 15th or early 16th century. Locating them right around 1500 is as good a guess as any.

These cards are crude and ugly, but they deserve very close scrutiny and analysis. They are the earliest decks I know of that have numbered trumps. They are also, I believe, the earliest decks that we can say of for certain that they consisted of 22 trumps and 56 suited cards.

There are several uncut sheets, all of them composed of one or the other of two decks by two different hands. All of these sheets are either in the New York Metropolitan Museum or the Museum of Fine Arts in Budapest. They seem to follow the same unusual trump order, or, at the very least, there is no overlap. Together, they contain all 22 trumps, in whole or in part. They also include some of the pictorial elements that later show up in the Marseille decks, and are the earliest instance I'm aware of for some of those elements.

Robert O'Neill has theorized that cards like this preceded the luxurious hand-painted items we've discussed at length here. Personally, I'm skeptical about that possibility, but I do think these cards may have been more instrumental in influencing the ultimate development of the tarot we know today than the various Visconti packs, or the so-called Gringonneur deck.

I've found that study of these images is made easier by separating them from the uncut sheets, and arranging them in order, and have done so on my web site at http://www.tarotseeker.com/UrDeck.html
 

jmd

Ahh catboxer, again you bring a post worth so many...

Personally, I tend to agree with Robert O'Neill - or rather, I was pleased to note that he tends to argue, with regards to this aspect, a position I personally think more plausible than its converse.

As has been mentioned in another post, standard playing cards were commonly burned annually prior to lent (and as also argued, by the way, by Moakley). It is highly probable, then, that 'standard' playing cards were considered to have a life-time of one year (longer than our mass-produced and well plastic-coated casino ones now-a-days!).

With regards to whether or not I would personally consider the extant fragments part of an Ür-Tarot deck, other criteria would also have to be met. This does not take away from it being an significant artifact of Tarot importance.

For example, its sequence certainly shows it to be a quite Christian deck: Judgement, followed by Justice, followed by, hopefully for the faithful, the Heavenly Jerusalem (which you number XXI - but could not locate its numbering).

Is this sequence just an early varient, a precursor, or a related but different sequence? This becomes important if the Ür-Tarot is considered to also bear peculiar characteristics of sequence.

Irrespective of our answer, it is a deck more than well worth studying... so thankyou for again bringing it to our attention. For those interested, it is also found around p272 of Kaplan's Encyclopedia of Tarot, vol. II...
 

Kiama

Thankyou very much for your very enlightening post Catboxer!

One question I have though: do you think that this deck is the closest we have yet to an ur-tarot? How does it relate in the timeline of Tarot history, to other early tarot decks? Do you think the existence of this one adds evidence to the argument that there were originally 22 trumps, but some were accidentally lost? (Instead of the argument that there is another number of trumps.)

Okay, so that's more than one question, but I'm very interested in this, and my knowledge of Tarot history is not as good as it should be. :(

Kiama
 

catboxer

Kiama:

No need to apologize about your knowledge of history. I've found you to be a heavy hitter, as the baseball saying goes. Anyway, we're all forced to do a certain amount of speculating because of gaps in the evidence. But based on what evidence is available, here's what I think.

The trumps game -- the idea of having a separate suit of trump cards in addition to the four regular suits -- started with the gods-and-birds deck painted by Besozzo and commissioned by Filippo Maria Visconti. Huck and Ross Caldwell know more about this pack than anybody else here, and Huck wrote about in the thread called "Earliest known tarot;" his post is here:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15101&perpage=10&pagenumber=3

Tom Tadfor Little also wrote a very good article about those cards on his tarothermit.com site, under the title "Marziano da Tortona: Inventor of the Tarot?"

The next piece of evidence we have is the Cary-Yale Deck of 1441, which I think followed the precedent established by Besozzo's cards, and was a 16-by-five. I wrote about it on the thread called "Reconstructing the Cary-Yale," which is on page two of this forum.

By 1442 there were trump card games in Ferrara. The best surviving example of Ferrarese cards is the so-called Gringonneur Deck, which had an unknown number of trumps. Likewise, the Visconti-Sforza of about 1450 had an unknown number of trumps. I don't think we'll ever be able to know for sure how many trump cards were in these decks.

The idea of trump games filtered down from the palaces of the nobility to the streets and the card games of the lower classes very early, but at a date impossible to establish. And I think it was there that the tarot as we know it came into being: 22 trumps, 56 suited cards.

The best support of this conclusion I can think of is that the images and sequence of the decks I linked to matches the descriptions and sequence of the Steele Sermon, with two minor exceptions, which are: The Steele Sermon switches the places of the Papesse and the Emperor, and switches Love and the Chariot (Lo Caro Triumphale).

So my conclusion is that the idea and the first tarot pictures originated with the educated upper classes, then quickly and early on filtered down to the commons, who tweaked the images, established a sequence (which changed over time), and increased the number of trumps, giving us what we have today.
 

Lee

I'm afraid I can't contribute to the historical discussion, but I just wanted to thank catboxer for his latest post, which lays out a historical timeline in a concise way which is much appreciated by me, since lately I've begun to sort of lose my way in the historical discussions. Also I very much appreciate the scans. I find myself fascinated by these cards and I love to look at them.

By the way, for those who may not know, Robert Place (Alchemical Tarot, Tarot of the Saints, etc.) is working on a modern version of decks like this. He used to have a few cards shown on his site, but I just went and looked and now I can't find them. I remember seeing the Sun, Judgement and Strength there. I've corresponded with Place about the deck and he told me he intended it to be a 78-card deck with unillustrated minors, as it would have been at the time. He said he wanted to show the deck as it would have theoretically looked at the time it was made, rather than as it looks now, so the cards have bright colors and solid lines. He had actually been to the museum and examined them in person.

-- Lee
 

jmd

Thankyou Lee and Mari_Hoshizaki...

Robert Place's modern renditions of some of these cards are at the page Tarot Prints on his site...
 

Lee

Ah, that's what I was trying to find, thanks, jmd! :)

-- Lee