Diana
Rosanne said:Sacre bleu! There is Tarot without a capital? ~Rosanne
Ask the historians. Many of them spell it with a small letter and I'm sure you'll find at least one who would be willing to expound on this matter with you.
Rosanne said:Sacre bleu! There is Tarot without a capital? ~Rosanne
Eratosthenes figured the size of the earth in 3BC. However he was wrong – and that Christopher Columbus was using Eratosthenes figures on his voyage west – proved to him that he was in the Indies! He was following incorrect information.jmd said:Likewise, even prior to circumnavigation of the globe measurement of the diameter of the Earth had been worked out many centuries before year dot.
Umbrae said:I like to dream!
I like facts.
Like…taking 0. Big discussion about 0 on Fool. But nobody bothered to look into the history of the 0. It was revealing. History shows, that placing a Galgal on the Fool card is not possible, that the majors cannot be a zeroth sequence. Factual stuff…but it blows up some pet theories.
Edited to remove earlier comments.kwaw said:Fact, fool in 15th century sola busca is numbered '0', so from 15th century we do have example of such. How can you say 'nobody looked into the history of the '0'? I've got 4 books on the history of zero sitting on the shelf above me now, and several more connected on the bookshelf behind me, and have often referenced them when talking about the fool and O. As perhaps one of the most frequent posters on the association between the fool and '0' I find insulting the implied suggestion that I do so without knowledge of the history of '0'.
Kwaw
jmd said:As reader, we of course also bring with us our own prior reflections - our own 'bias', so to speak. One of these, at least for myself, is that the Sola Busca is a great deck in its own right, with connections to Tarot, but is itself not tarot per se.
According what I've read the astronom Peurbach "invented" the use of Arabic numbers. Likely this doesn't mean, that he really was the first who used them, but possibly he was a greater distributor for their use. This might have happened 1455 - 1460, perhaps earlier. He was a professor in Ferrara 1448 - 1450, so he might have used the system already in his teachings, which are called successful and impressive.kwaw said:It is the earliest complete deck we have of 78 cards composed of 40 pips, 16 painted figures, 21 trumps and a fool. The 21 trumps are not what we now consider 'standard', whether or not that makes it a tarot or not is however beside the point I was making, it shows as fact the concept of numbering the fool card as zero had taken place by the latter half of the 15th century. Perhaps related to the same genre is the Boiarda, wherein the [unnumbered] fool commences the series of 22 trumps.