moderndayruth said:
It a bit sounds as if it all upsets you for some reason.
None of this upsets me. I just watch and wonder. I've done it in the past too, and found out that when I did that tarot didn't not help me, it blocked me. Because, like I said, it was easier to sit down, ask a question and assume whatever I like then to confront reality.
I see this happening to others and I wonder if it's a side-effect of working with divination. That we end up relying on our trust paper friend more than in our own impulses and ideas.
moderndayruth said:
To me, its age related.
Seriuosly.
I know there is that trend to absolutely dismiss biological age, but that's not possible.
I was divining in my twenties, but i had, what seemed at the time, an inexhaustible energy - for everything, i had much more spare time too, less preoccupations/duties etc.
So, i basically had all the recourses to (from this point of view) - waste time with people and events i wouldn't - had i known better.
Well, that could be also cultural. I'm 23 and personally I do not have so much free time in my hand.
Maybe I should see this as sign to stop asking here at the forum and ask my cards instead, lol!
moderndayruth said:
To me, its like having a wise friend - why repeat (even if one's own ) history, if you don't have to? Why go through some ugly stuff if it can be by-passed?
What is meant by 'living life' in the first place?
Living, to me, means "trying things on your own". That said, of course, you may choose not to try certain things for a principle, like drugs. You don't need cards to tell you that it usually doesn't end well.
If you mother tells you "love hurts", then you'll never love because she has lived more than you and knows better? You might, but you'll be missing some of the most fantastic experiences in life. Same with cards, I think. Not every experience the cards tell you to "by-pass" is ugly.
Many experiences start badly, only to improve later. But if you don't try because the cards are holding the "pain ahead" sign, you'll never know. It feels like some people use cards as a defense mechanism, to avoid anything that is bad or complicated.
All and all, if you depend on cards to make every decision and if you don't dare to do anything without the cards' approval, you have basically surrendered your brain to a pile a cardstock.
Yet, that's NOT what my thread was about. I was asking about people who instead of acting to get what they want, to solve the problem they perceive, to make changes happen, sit down and ask cards. They let the others - and the cards - create their lives. That's why they don't live.
nisaba said:
I'm fairly - what's the euphemism, yes this is it - "assertive".
I have no problem with rocking up to someone and saying: "I feel X, Y and Z about you, and I suspect you are doing A and B behind my back. I could be wrong, in which case, I'm sorry. Am I right, and what are we going to do about it?"
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Word are no deeds. (Shakespeare)
That's how I am too, so maybe that's why I perceive the non-action as a problem. I think sometimes it makes a monster out of something that could be solved by an "I'm sorry" or "Okay, what is it all about?".
Nice quote, by the way!
Nytebugg said:
My take is that as a reader you don't live with your sitter or live their life. Yes, they may be asking these questions but you don't know for a fact that they aren't talking with their crush or expressing their feeling about how their sister made them mad. I think it is a rather huge assumption to say the some people are not living their lives because they are asking tarot these questions.
First of all, the people who ask these kind of question usually post about it every two or three days, so it's more or less like following a soap opera. They also tend to share bits of their life so you may understand where they are coming from. After the 4th reading about the same subject, you notice that they are clearly stuck. That they do readings but don't follow the advices. They constantly focus on what is outside of them and out of their control. Maybe they are afraid, unsure, it's all right, but it doesn't change the fact they ain't doing anything to solve the situation.
Nytebugg said:
I ask what i want to ask because for me it helps clear my mental clutter and help me work through my anxieties.
Wonderfu - I think most of us can relate to that. But I'm talking about people who use tarot to run away from the "work through" part.
Nytebugg said:
Think if it is bad for us who can read it must be worse for sitters who know nothing of tarot to come up with a "good" question.
I put good in quotes because I don't believe in good or bad questions. I feel no question is frivolous or unworthy.
Read my original thread, if you haven't. I never talked about the question asked, that was a point brought by others who answered the thread. A
very interesting point, should I add. But I'm talking about
doing, not asking. About getting up and asking your sister why is she angry, and not do a 9 card spread to find it out beforehand.
Grigori said:
By it's nature I think even passive information gathering questions lead to an impetus to act in some way. Or even ask go on to ask in person rather than divine. Forewarned is forearmed after all, which seems the whole point. Not to circumvent action, but to assist it.
The negative situation you're describing to me seems more like one that occurs when people are unwilling for whatever reason to act. Asking questions may help allay some anxiety around that, but ultimately these people where not going to act with or without tarot guidance, so its a moot point I suspect. A diversion at worse.
Yes, passive information can be helpful. I never said it couldn't.
Of course, some people are naturally prone not to act, but my question was if divination somehow increases this tendency.
You see, almost everyone misunderstood what I wrote. Maybe I should go back to my English classes. I wasn't saying that information is bad. The oracle is yours, you may use it was you wish. If you want to ask "in which position should I sit on my chair today?", so be it, I have no problem with this. (Note: I used yours in a neutral way, I do not mean Grigori specifically)
People became reactive, saying I was judging people who ask the questions I used as
examples, which I was not. I was asking IF having this possibility of knowing things beforehand, or without having to confront the people involved, makes readers and sitters more hesitant to just go and do it. If sometimes reading tarot stays in the way of our spontaneous actions.
JSNYC said:
I think, as other posters have so eloquently pointed out, is has to do with a lack of control, or at least feeling a lack of control. For some, possibly even to the point of an inability to cope. I think we can all relate to that to some extent. People seek control (or escape) in all sorts of things, including divination.
Thank you for responding to my question.
Yes, I think this is a good reason. Perhaps it's time for us, as both readers and querents, to find ways to address these problems in our divination practices, instead of focusing on circular questions.
Since we use this community to dispel so many tarot-myths, we could use it to help people to break from this habit. Help them to use tarot and other divination methods in more courageous ways.
