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Question Rider Waite symbols...


Does anyone know the meaning of the white rose and red lily that appear on the cards in the Rider Waite deck?
For example:
The fool holds a white rose
Death has a white rose on his flag
The people kneeling before the hierophant have a lily and rose design on their backs

They're on heaps more cards too (including a few minor arcana ones), but I can't remember where I've seen them without my deck handy.

Does anyone know if there's some interesting symbolism behind this - or did the deck's creator just like drawing lilies and roses?

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from Rachel Pollack's Seventy Eight Degrees of Wisdom.....

the Fool's white rose - rose=passion, white=purity, together equal the "passions raised to a higher level"

Death's white rose = "desires purified, for when the ego dies selfish and repressive needs die with it" - I love that, makes me want to be a better person.....

Interestingly, she doesn't mention the clothing of the two acolytes on the Heirophant.

It seems the symbolism of flowers in tarot is invariably important, no doubt others will come up with more comments.
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Cool A Rose by any other name...


COOL!!!

I can't wait to go home a look through my deck to see what you guys are talking about.
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Thanks for all your ideas!
I had another look at my deck last night, and found the other cards that I was thinking about:

The plants in front of the magician's table are ... lilies and rose bushes.
The design on the stone wall in the 2 of wands is ... lilies and roses.
And in the back ground of the Ace of Pentacles is a hedge made of white roses.

It seems to be a bit of a recurring theme!

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the book i study from says that white signifies innocence/purity of motive (as luned also mentioned) and red is ardour/eagerness/endurance, i think the flowers in front of the magicians table probably shows what he can accomplish with enough grounding and inspiration
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I liked the idea that the rose in the Fool card represented his soul, which he is holding onto loosely - almost in danger of losing. again, it is white as a symbol of purity.
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Symbols on tarot cards are rarely there because the artist enjoyed drawing them.

From The Tarot by Paul Foster Case:

"The rose in the Fool's left hand is white, to indicate freedom from the lower forms of desire and passion and also to show that it refers to the spiritual prototype of desire."

"Red roses typify Venus and the desire nature. White lilies represent abstract thought, untinged by desire."
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I typed in A.E.Waite and got Google to websearch..one of the sights is dedicated to the symbolism of the cards...Out of curiosity I looked at The Heirophant...It mentions the rose/lily themes...the rose and lily appear in the golden dawns initiation ceremony for the ZELDAR grade ..this suggests that WAITE has initiation in mind when using them...The Heirophant is the title of an official in the Dawns ceremonies
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check out www.geocities.com/~ninalee/oneill/
and click on the Magician
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Okay... I'm a little late chiming in here... I only just got around to checking this forum!

From the Glossary of Symbolic Terms in "A Complete Guide to the Tarot" by Eden Gray;

"Rose -
1. White Rose: Freedom form lower forms of desire and passion.
2. Red Rose: Represents Venus, Nature, Desire."

"Lily - Abstract thought untinged by desire."

For a different take; from the Glossary of Symbols in "The Mystical Tarot" by Rosemary Ellen Guiley;

"Rose. Victory, pride, triumphant love, erotic love, the mystic center of the heart. A single rose signifies consummate achievement, a white rose purity or victory, a red rose blood or martyrdom. Dante used the white rose as a symbol of joy and regeneration. In Rosicrucianism, the rose is a symbol of the unity between the dualistic principles of the physical and the spirit in humankind. The rose also is a symbol of the Pentacle."

"Lily. Purity. Also, sweetness and virginity. In Christianity, a symbol of the Virgin Mary.

Hope this has been of some help to the discussion.
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