Rosanne
Either way/list Robert, what do you think the purpose was for?~Rosanne
I'm sorry, what are you asking?Rosanne said:Either way/list Robert, what do you think the purpose was for?~Rosanne
AH!Rosanne said:Sorry I did not make myself clear. If the Tarocchi Milanese by Della Rocca was an Alphabetic lexicon- why do you think it was? To teach Hebrew? To act as a prompt for something else? Why would someone go to so much trouble? ~Rosanne
Rosanne said:Either way/list Robert, what do you think the purpose was for?~Rosanne
With regard to LeMat, they seem roughly of equal strength, yet the question remains whether the 'A-list' is derived strictly from medieval sources, as the Th-list ostensibly is? But as for I LeBateleur, the two are not even close: M.F.'s list is much more complete as to specifics, the 'B-list' missing such absolutely essential details as the work-bench itself (whose missing 4th leg represents the 'missing' vowels of ogam consaine, I maintain)!le pendu said:Your lists make just as much sense to me personally. Each list has words in it that make a lot of sense, and others which fit with a bit of imagination.
venicebard said:But as for I LeBateleur, the two are not even close: M.F.'s list is much more complete as to specifics,
Valid points all, which concern me also. Of course further study is required before one can call it solid, but I would need his sources. I gather, though, that he found that 'young shoots' occurred in medieval lexicons only for those letters whose cards had them, and as for some of the others, I can actually see, I think, how the shades of meaning are actually illustrated in the trumps. As for cobbler vs. magician, perhaps Mark was 'covering his bases' by showing that even if the cobbler-variant was early it still fits, or perhaps he thinks the variants were 'part of the game', I don't know. Individual sticking points do not a fatal flaw make till enough appear to bring down the structure.kwaw said:You accept all 20 then? References to head, foot, clothes gear that have so many synonyms that they completely lack any evidential value [he find a synionym with appropriate letters for most of the cards, even where the headgear and / or vegetation is virtually the same in each]. Words that apply to several cards [several of his words for bateleur apply to fool for example]; abrastactions and or interpretations [will, virility]? How are they pictured? Cobbler or magician? What exactly in that image suggests cobbler? How is it a pictorial representation of such?
I will try to answer you in good faith on the morrow: I'll go through them all a second time and give you my honest take.Six out of the twenty I find, how about you? Kwaw
venicebard said:With regard to LeMat, they seem roughly of equal strength, yet the question remains whether the 'A-list' is derived strictly from medieval sources, as the Th-list ostensibly is?