9 of Swords in the Marseilles decks

Fulgour

I can remember the first time I had enough Marseille decks
to make a comparative study of the Pips. What seemed
most striking was the realisation of how many careful details
there actually were, and how much pleasure the artists took
in crafting their images, with all the complexities of an Escher.
 

Fulgour

A Case for 'Marseille' Roman Numerals:

The following inscriptions arrange
in an Alpha-Numeric sequence:

I II III IIII V VI VII VIII VIIII X
XI XII XIII XIIII XV XVI XVII XVIII XVIIII XX

If these standard substitutions are made,
IV IX XIV and XIX
Nine and Nineteen will be out of sequence.

...which has nothing to do with why double-yoo
is capitalized VV but in most longhand is uu ~
that was something worked out (well, almost)
between the English and the French :joke: :laugh:
 

tmgrl2

Fulgour said:
A Case for 'Marseille' Roman Numerals:

The following inscriptions arrange
in an Alpha-Numeric sequence:

I II III IIII V VI VII VIII VIIII X
XI XII XIII XIIII XV VI VII VIII VIIII XX

If these standard substitutions are made,
IV IX XIV and XIX
Nine and Nineteen will be out of sequence.
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Hi...Fulgour...
I follow you up till XV....
then instead of VI VII...etc.

it becomes XVI, XVII, XVIII, XVIIII, XX and XXI

I think you implied that the X was before the VI at 16...etc.

terri...

My first few decks, I though numbers were missing...LOL

I got some extra decks so I have the Camoin, Hadar, Grimaud, and Conver laid out in photo albums...with all pips for As, Deux, etc. on one page...so four Aces of one deck on one photo page. The albums are smallish and I can easily lay out four sets at once or find them quickly. I agree, it helps.

terri
 

Fulgour

Number VIIII

The last among the seven Pythagorean numbers (three through nine),
nine is the limit to which the generative principles of number reach.
Ancient mathematical philosophers called nine the “finishing post”
and “that which brings completion.”

from: Santa Cruz Mountains Art Center
 

tmgrl2

Re: +xxxx

Fulgour said:
:laugh: Thanks! My post has been edited accordingly! :joke:
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No problemo...I know you and how meticulous you are!

terri :D
 

Fulgour

tmgrl2 said:
I got some extra decks so I have the Camoin, Hadar, Grimaud, and Conver laid out in photo albums...with all pips for As, Deux, etc. on one page...so four Aces of one deck on one photo page. The albums are smallish and I can easily lay out four sets at once or find them quickly. I agree, it helps.
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One thing I did was try to unequivocally determine right side up from upside down.
It was amazing to find all the little tricks the artists played, and then when there
really was no clear way to tell, to see just which cards those were, and wonder why.
 

tmgrl2

There is so much I haven't looked at in my decks, I wouldn't know where to begin. So I wait till I see something or someone posts something, then I examine them.

terri
 

Fulgour

tmgrl2 said:
There is so much I haven't looked at in my decks, I wouldn't know where to begin. So I wait till I see something or someone posts something, then I examine them.
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You're right, and I can see my comments have been terribly obscure.
Sometimes, mostly always, my inclination is to cast a wide net.
One never knows what might come up, and I do resist limitations.
For the purposes of this discussion, however, the tip of the Sword
does indeed incline to the right, meaning I know not what...
 

Fulgour

Diana said:
If you look at the 9 of Swords in the... Dodal deck, you will notice that the middle Sword, at the top, is not completely centered - it is slightly to the right.
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The Dodal VIIII appears ambiguous on this, but the V is aslant.
We might pause here to ponder, on the III V VII and VIIII, do
the Swords point up or down when viewed supposedly upright?
And is X an exception to the "rule" altogether, in and of itself...
 

kwaw

Ostracisation, Exile, Separation, Birth

Doğru söyleyeni dokuz köyden kovarlar.

Speak the truth, and be dismissed from nine villages.
Turkish Proverb

After nine months the cord is cut, a birth.

Separation from home, travelling abroad, a stranger / foreigner, an exile, a cutting (of the apron strings), anxieties related to separation.
 
X La Rove de Fortvne Valet de Deniers - how may it be read?