planet question

poivre

Looking up a birthday for today there were NO
planets in Water.

Fire -4
Earth-4
Air -2
Water-0

I feel they would be stubborn and not let their
emotions get in the way.

Cry all the time or unemotional?

General question...
looking to compare 4 nieces charts.
These girls I don't know very well,
it's just a study and then I'm going
to ask their grandmother. :D
My knowledge is very BASIC! :D
 

poivre

Got it.

the Art of Chart Interpretation by Tracy Marks.
Found it after I posted.

I guess she may be a bit impersonal! :D
 

dadsnook2000

Maybe it is not what it seems

While your basic assumptions may be correct, there are substitutes for what appears to be a lack of water in the chart. It depends upon so many things, and they won't be found in a book very easily. It might take a skilled astrologer to determine if any or all of the girls truly have a lack of water. Perhaps you might post birth data and those who frequent the list could review the charts to see if water is there or not. Dave
 

poivre

yes, I understand
thanks!
:)
 

Minderwiz

Dave as usual hits the nail firmly on the head. I've got the Tracy Marks book and used to use it a lot. She does give a series of 'compensations' for lack of particular elements. I've also seen attempts to bring in compensation through allocating elements to the Houses (Fourth, Eighth and Twelfth as 'Water' Houses)

Marks also gives double weight to Sun and Moon and includes the MC and ASC in the calculation (which your initial count did not). So you may actually gain Water from the inclusion of the latter two.

I also think there are serious issues with this approach to 'elements' Firstl, the count includes the outer planets, which are assumed to be generational not personal. They certainly should not be weighted as much as the others (if at all)

Secondly, it's too simplistic. It assumes that the planets themselves have no influence on the outcome, only the signs - and that is just not the case. The planets bring with them Heat, Cold, Dryness and Moisture (Fire is hot and dry; Earth is cold and dry; Air is Hot and Moist and Water is cold and moist) - so you might find they gain moisture through certain planetary placements.

The modern approach makes no allowance for the seasons or for the Moon's phase, for example the traditional view is to take the Sun according to the season of the year - so if one or more of your nieces is born in Spring or Winter they will gain moisture.

I could go further but my point is really that you need to take care with a simplistic approach there are a lot more things that determine a person's element balance than the sign placements of the planets.

If you are using a modern approach I'd suggest you have a look at Stephen Arroyo's 'Astrology, Psychology and the Four Elements', which will give you a more detailed treatment. I agree with Dave that you can't get everything out of books, but you do have to start somewhere.
 

poivre

yes, I understand
thanks :)

I finally got it together with this astrology...
have my books and my pencils...
know how to look at a natal chart...
can read the basic on a chart
love to do my drawings and notes...
had an astrology marathon on the weekend :D


Now the battle

to continue

begins! :confused: :)
 

Minderwiz

Good Luck,

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