Le Fanu
Thank you so much! Oodles of material to read on these links....
What's so great about the Jacques Vieville Tarot?
Melanchollic
What's so great about the Jacques Vieville Tarot?
I've found, when comparing various TdM decks for ambiguous design details, that the Vieville will usually be the deck that holds the secret...
CASE IN POINT: What is the Valet de Coupe holding there in his left hand?!? A hat? A rugby ball? A pair of D&G boxer briefs!?
The Vieville seems to answer the eternal question!
I've found, when comparing various TdM decks for ambiguous design details, that the Vieville will usually be the deck that holds the secret...
CASE IN POINT: What is the Valet de Coupe holding there in his left hand?!? A hat? A rugby ball? A pair of D&G boxer briefs!?
The Vieville seems to answer the eternal question!
le pendu
Melanchollic said:
EXACTLY!!!!!!
I've found the same thing time and again. Even though it's not a "TdM", when it IS related to the TdM, it's often the most reliable version for figuring out what is going on. Vieville copied over details that Noblet, Dodal and others didn't or didn't know... you look to his card and suddenly the lines or circles or whatever.. make sense!
jmd
Beat me to it, he did.... but I'll say it too!
EXACTLY!
It is these details that makes comparison of decks, and the bringing in to comparing other decks such as the Besançon, Schaffhouse, and Bologna so important in sensing into details that may over time have become copied without understanding, with details slowly losing their earlier intended significance.
A WONDERFUL demonstration of that with the re-arrangement of the Valet details
EXACTLY!
It is these details that makes comparison of decks, and the bringing in to comparing other decks such as the Besançon, Schaffhouse, and Bologna so important in sensing into details that may over time have become copied without understanding, with details slowly losing their earlier intended significance.
A WONDERFUL demonstration of that with the re-arrangement of the Valet details
stella01904
YES! A kind of key or TdM study guide!le pendu said:
Debra
*thud*
I love you guys.
I'm out of town without my deck. I'll catch up later.
*swoon*
I love you guys.
I'm out of town without my deck. I'll catch up later.
*swoon*
Le Fanu
Hey Debra.. I know we rescucitated this thread, but the action´s all happening over at the "Hat of the King of Cups" thread. Get thee back in town, grab your deck and come and join us!!
Cerulean
I've thought of the Chariot driver as combining Venus and Mars...
as in Mitelli and other older Northern Italian patterns...
A sample of Alessandro Sforza's tarot chariot is first and then G. Maria Mitelli's Bolognese Tarocchino Chariot follows...
I sometimes see the charioteer as a combination and perhaps a woodcut copy of someone that might be adorned as woman with a breastplate of flowers...an odd thought, but if it was harkening back to a finer woodcut heritage of tarocchino engraving where gods and goddesses and creatures not of this world adorn the festive iconography of the cards...
http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards38.htm
http://www.tarotpassages.com/mitelli.htm
And as for the interesting sphynxes--they could be hybrid creatures as the Florentine Minchiate's lightness...
http://it.geocities.com/a_pollett/cards67.htm
...although I half-fancied monkeys or other curious creatures, I've not quite seen anything quite like the curiousities of the tarot/tarocchi images in the Vieville...I would love to see Flourney's adaptation of this beautiful old deck as sometime sooner rather than later...and perhaps with such work, he might suggest ideas for the old poetic scrawlings and scratchy details we all seem to enjoy pondering with such delight...
Coming real late to this game of revisiting an old favorite...I like all the charming contributions here and associated threads.
Cerulean
as in Mitelli and other older Northern Italian patterns...
A sample of Alessandro Sforza's tarot chariot is first and then G. Maria Mitelli's Bolognese Tarocchino Chariot follows...
I sometimes see the charioteer as a combination and perhaps a woodcut copy of someone that might be adorned as woman with a breastplate of flowers...an odd thought, but if it was harkening back to a finer woodcut heritage of tarocchino engraving where gods and goddesses and creatures not of this world adorn the festive iconography of the cards...
http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards38.htm
http://www.tarotpassages.com/mitelli.htm
And as for the interesting sphynxes--they could be hybrid creatures as the Florentine Minchiate's lightness...
http://it.geocities.com/a_pollett/cards67.htm
...although I half-fancied monkeys or other curious creatures, I've not quite seen anything quite like the curiousities of the tarot/tarocchi images in the Vieville...I would love to see Flourney's adaptation of this beautiful old deck as sometime sooner rather than later...and perhaps with such work, he might suggest ideas for the old poetic scrawlings and scratchy details we all seem to enjoy pondering with such delight...
Coming real late to this game of revisiting an old favorite...I like all the charming contributions here and associated threads.
Cerulean
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Vieville / Le Chariot
Hello Cerulean:
Regard to the topic of the figures pulling LE CHARIOT,I copy here what I quoted on LE CHARIOT thread.
Hello Cerulean:
Regard to the topic of the figures pulling LE CHARIOT,I copy here what I quoted on LE CHARIOT thread.
eugim said:
eugim
Hello Melanchollic:
As I saw on your posts you have the knowledge to know that the first request condition regard to Tarot is just SEE the cards in a deep way.
As you clearly showed visual perception prove once more that the cards speak for themselves and loudly,if we don t try to put anything or the worst ourselves inside them.
If there is a meaning surely comes after never before.
I copy for you a paragraph of Arthur Conan Doyle novel " A Scandal in Bohemia " that I also sent to Moonbow by e mail.
-Watson: "This is indeed a mystery," I remarked. "What do you imagine that it means?"
-Sherlock Holmes :"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
My best regards to you.
Eugim
As I saw on your posts you have the knowledge to know that the first request condition regard to Tarot is just SEE the cards in a deep way.
As you clearly showed visual perception prove once more that the cards speak for themselves and loudly,if we don t try to put anything or the worst ourselves inside them.
If there is a meaning surely comes after never before.
I copy for you a paragraph of Arthur Conan Doyle novel " A Scandal in Bohemia " that I also sent to Moonbow by e mail.
-Watson: "This is indeed a mystery," I remarked. "What do you imagine that it means?"
-Sherlock Holmes :"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
My best regards to you.
Eugim
