2 of Wands in Estensi
rwcarter
Nah, that would be the 9 Swords (or maybe the 10) in the Priapo.The Lorena Bobbitt Tarot!
Rose Lalonde
Maybe I'm odd, but the thing that throws me isn't that it's shocking or gross. (And I don't read for others much so that's not an issue either.) It's that Atis looks so insanely bored that it verges on weirdly comical. I can almost hear him saying, "Now that I've finished that, I can't think of a dashed thing to do before lunch."
In any event, I own this deck and have no plans to part with it. The gold is well done and colors are vibrant; the 17 historic cards are lovely(!), as are the rest of the majors. A few of the fresco minors seem odd to me, but I've mostly only read with the majors.
In any event, I own this deck and have no plans to part with it. The gold is well done and colors are vibrant; the 17 historic cards are lovely(!), as are the rest of the majors. A few of the fresco minors seem odd to me, but I've mostly only read with the majors.
tarotbear
Well, once they've (or you've) cut your balls off there isn't much you can do except put them in formaldehyde in a jar to be buried with you ... they cannot be re-attached ... unlike John Bobbitt's penis - he became a (very minor) porn star after the re-attachment!
****ETA****
Tried to do some research ... are we speaking of 'Attis'?
Robby F.
Ouch!
I remember a few years back when I got this deck. It has truly been one of Tarot's great disappointments to me. I had admired images from the "Charles VI" deck for years, and when Lo Scarabeo announced that they were releasing a Redux (and golden, no less), I was ecstatic. Then it arrived. Wow. Just wow. I tried to use it. I really did. I wanted to love it. The entire situation with the Estensi reminds me of one of the pitfalls of modern Tarot publishing: the illustrated pip, not specifically LoS's Golden Renaissance (though they are horrendous), but the seeming demand of publishers to produce illustrated pips for any and all tarots. I love working with a full deck (though many have suggested I do not), but I would prefer working with a lovely, artistic pip than a scene that distracts and means absolutely nothing to me. The Estensi, since that was the starting point of this discussion, has far too many personally meaningless pips for me to use (and I do say "personally meaningless" because I know the painter had artistic and historical references, but I am certainly not familiar with them). The previously mentioned 2 of Wands was only one that I don't want to touch with a querent. The Ace of Wands is another; I have no personal reference for a man sitting in a tree under the sun. Unless it comes up another way, I don't want the querent asking why the man is copping a healthy feel in the 2 of Cups either, though it may be more in line with the meaning of the card for some. I don't have personal references for the group of ignudi on the 6 of Cups or the creepy wall baby in the 8 of Cups, the suggested beheading in the 8 of Swords, or the possible transaction brought up in the 2 of Coins...This is my long winded way of saying that sometimes pips just work and should be left alone. There was no reason to illustrate the previously unillustrated minors of the Charles VI. Does anybody hear a baby crying? Oh, sorry. It's just me.
I remember a few years back when I got this deck. It has truly been one of Tarot's great disappointments to me. I had admired images from the "Charles VI" deck for years, and when Lo Scarabeo announced that they were releasing a Redux (and golden, no less), I was ecstatic. Then it arrived. Wow. Just wow. I tried to use it. I really did. I wanted to love it. The entire situation with the Estensi reminds me of one of the pitfalls of modern Tarot publishing: the illustrated pip, not specifically LoS's Golden Renaissance (though they are horrendous), but the seeming demand of publishers to produce illustrated pips for any and all tarots. I love working with a full deck (though many have suggested I do not), but I would prefer working with a lovely, artistic pip than a scene that distracts and means absolutely nothing to me. The Estensi, since that was the starting point of this discussion, has far too many personally meaningless pips for me to use (and I do say "personally meaningless" because I know the painter had artistic and historical references, but I am certainly not familiar with them). The previously mentioned 2 of Wands was only one that I don't want to touch with a querent. The Ace of Wands is another; I have no personal reference for a man sitting in a tree under the sun. Unless it comes up another way, I don't want the querent asking why the man is copping a healthy feel in the 2 of Cups either, though it may be more in line with the meaning of the card for some. I don't have personal references for the group of ignudi on the 6 of Cups or the creepy wall baby in the 8 of Cups, the suggested beheading in the 8 of Swords, or the possible transaction brought up in the 2 of Coins...This is my long winded way of saying that sometimes pips just work and should be left alone. There was no reason to illustrate the previously unillustrated minors of the Charles VI. Does anybody hear a baby crying? Oh, sorry. It's just me.
Rose Lalonde
I'm always spelling it wrong. Attis -- or Atys as Cerulean discusses above. The page you linked to isn't loading for me, but... on Wikipedia.
gregory
Yes - see post #10 in this thread.
Also Ric's post after he asked Berti about it. Attis actually killed himself when he cut off his balls, so - well, the image fits for me.
The whole thing started a self-castration cult among men who worshipped Cybele...
