Thoughts VS Emotions

Perris

gregory said:
My view exactly. Sometimes we try to rationalise our feelings by thought, but it doesn't work the other way around. In a reading like that, I wouldn't try to separate them out.
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So you would see the lovers as a connection?
 

Perris

Intotouch said:
I think the answer to this question depends very much on the reading and the reader. I definitely can see how someone may think very differently to how they feel about another. For example, a person think about someone primarily as their lover because that is what the relationship is and has been, but may feel afraid of this person or indifferent towards them. They may still climb into bed with this lover at the end of the day and continue to do so but the feelings that they may have towards this person may not be loving or lustful. Plenty of people stay with a partner because they can't afford to leave this person or are afraid to. This is just one example. Relationships can vary hugely from one to another.

If the lovers comes up for how someone thinks about you one day and how they feel about you the next this does suggest a unity of thought and mind.

However if you judge a situation by the one reading (something I think advisable, I prefer to wait a month before asking again about a situation. Although there is the temptation to keep doing readings until you get one that gives you the answer that you want) and you choose to pull cards separately for a person's thoughts and feelings towards another you are making it impossible for the tarot to show the same card for both. So perhaps you should either put the cards back before you draw one for feelings after you've drawn a card for how someone thinks about another, or maybe you should draw one card to represent both a person's thoughts and emotions.
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Definitely agree to wait on readings and space them out.
 

Perris

Grizabella said:
Thoughts and feelings are different things but they often---or maybe almost always---influence each other. For instance, you can think somebody is an oaf but still feel fond of him. He's a lovable, charming person you're fond of but he's still an oaf with no social finesse. In fact, maybe that oafishness tempered by his endearing qualities is part of his charm.
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What do you say in the instance of the lovers card?
 

Perris

nisaba said:
Well, for example, someone might *think* someone they love is being a bit of an idiot at the moment, but they *feel* that they adore them anyway.

They might *think* that the legal contract they're about to sign is perfectly fine after reading the fine print, but they might *feel* uneasy about committing themself anyway.

They might *think* that the intelligent, affluent, pleasant person they've been introduced to would make a fine future partner, but they might *feel* that they make their flesh crawl and don't want them anywhere near them.

That's the difference. One is an intellectual, rational process, the other is an instinctive, irrational process.

So the lover's card as feelings: depending on the artwork, I'd take that as a *feeling* of being committed to the other person (not just attraction, attraction is more a Two Cups thing), while as thoughts I'd say it's about a moment of hard and life-changing choice. :)
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Great explanation, thank you!
 

Perris

Emma313 said:
Feelings are more important than thoughts

Thoughts are throw away things
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I tend to see it the other way. For example, you may love someone but they may be the worse match for you. In this instance, being rational would work in your favor.
 

Blessed

"2 sides of the same coin"

1Eleven said:
Thought/thinking and feelings are 2 sides of the same coin. Our thinking creates what we feel.
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I love this take! And our feelings influence our thoughts - it's a a cycle on repeat.
 

Calayvie

The cognitive therapy triangle is thoughts <-> feelings <-> actions <-> thoughts
They all influence or lead to one another. So changing your actions for example will change how you feel, which will change what you think.

I believe, your feelings don't lie. If you can ascertain what you are truly feeling about something, its more reliable than what you may be thinking, which could be trying to convince you of something else. Your thoughts are ruled by your ego more or less, and your feelings are ruled by your body, which can be influenced by your intuition, your soul, or your instincts, all of which your thoughts have no part of except to try to interfere with.

When you feel good, you generally have good thoughts. When you think good thoughts, you generally feel good. But underlying this is what I mentioned above. Your feelings encompass more than your thoughts, and are a more reliable indicator of your truth.

I didn't really think this reply out so I hope it makes sense!

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Emma313

Perris said:
I tend to see it the other way. For example, you may love someone but they may be the worse match for you. In this instance, being rational would work in your favor.
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Yes but humans are not robots


Never have been and never will be lol

Ths whole discussion misses the beliefs section maybe, often an assault on our thoughts and feelings
 

Calayvie

Emma313 said:
Yes but humans are not robots


Never have been and never will be lol

Ths whole discussion misses the beliefs section maybe, often an assault on our thoughts and feelings
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Beliefs are thoughts that have very strong feelings behind them, yes?

Although difficult to determine our actual beliefs sometimes, as they are formed often unconsciously and we are not so aware of them, they do contradict our thoughts and feelings in some situations, which can cause inner conflict. When this occurs enough, we can learn to change our beliefs to fit our new way of thinking or feeling.

I think feelings are the basis for the strength of our beliefs, without that they are merely thoughts.
What do you think?

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