Gilad Shalit in captivity - can we look at his chart?

Hi,
It has been a looooong time since I have been in this forum, but I must say for good reasons. My baby boy will soon be one year old and keeps me very busy... i'm looking forward to come back to "real life" but i feel that this will take some more time...

BUT, I have been thinking a lot of Gilad Shalit lately, the young Israeli soldier that is held in captivity by the Hamas in the Gaza Strip. I found his full birth info, and I was curious to take a look at his chart.
What does captivity looks like in a chart? Will he ever be released? Was it just his "bad luck" or a hard karmic lesson? Everybody he knows who he is yet he is hidden - how does that show?

if anyone would be interested to probe into this, I would be more that delighted to participate. Maybe this needs a horary as well?

Gilad Shalit birth info: Aug 28th, 1986, 3:50 am, Naharia, Israel.

He was captured on June 25th, 2006, early in the morning

for more info on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit

Natal chart and comments

Gilad Shalit, born Aug. 28, 1986 at 3:56 AM EED, Nahariyya, Israel, 035e05, 33n00

Gilad's MC is 26:59 Aries, his Ascendant is 04:31 Leo, Sun is at 4:26 Virgo in the 2nd house, Moon is at 11:50 Gemini in the 11th house.

Sun squares a wide opposition of Moon to Saturn (5th house, 3:25 Sag), suggesting (by itself) that is selfhood or identity has to deal with emotional separations, that the lessons learned in early family life will be both a source of comfort as well as a contest of heritage and feeling versus discipline and self reliance --- all of this testing his will and capability to express himself.

His nodal axis is on the chart's vertical axis, N.Node (23:10 Aries) conjunct the MC and trine Mercury (25:51 Leo) can point to one talks about his status and associates or whose social status (MC) is talked about (Mercury) by others (Node). All the possible symbolism fits his captivity situation even though we are discussing his natal chart here, a chart of "potential."

Natal Venus (20:29 Libra) is part of the Moon's nodal axis (at S. Node) pointing to a reliance on social skills to get along in the world.

I'll post the other astrological body positions so that others can comment on this natal chart. Later, in another post, I'll look at his capture date and then comment on that event.

Mars @ 13:05 Capricorn
Jupiter @ 19:40 Pisces
Uranus @ 18:21 Sag
Neptune @ 3:07 Capricorn
Pluto @ 5:04 Scorpio
Chiron @ 20:46 Gemini
Ceres @ 10:45 Libra
Juno @ 3:29 Sag
Pallas @ 17:52 Virgo
Vesta @ 16:59 Aries

There are some interesting asteroid-planet connections if anyone wants to comment on them. Dave

I threw up a quick horary chart,

Asc = 14* 37',, so his Asc would be 14* Aries, and his Mars in currently in the 12th house of captivity at 19* 58" Virgo.

No movement is shown but he appears to be okay. And Moon is in Leo with no major aspects to anything.

The guy is stuck.

Very interesting points and comments. Thank you both.
I'm not as advanced and did not see any of this in his chart. I was hoping that the whole thing was due to some Saturn return, but he has been in captivity for longer now...
There was a news post lately that said that the Hamas informed that Gilad Shalit is watching the FIFA world cup via a satellite in his captivity. i don't think this was something they should say if it wasn't true... (although who knows...). but if this is true, then it's possible to assume that he is indeed ok - in good condition, but indeed stuck.

Astrologically speaking, i wonder if similar aspects can have a different translation, other than captivity. Could he have had a different experience that could manifest what he is going through, without being so extreme?

what has to happen planets wise for him to be free? will he ever be free?

His planet, Mars, has to exit the the 12th house and that's going to take time.

The 12th house indicates place of confinement, jails, hospitals and such like.

As Dave says the natal chart shows only the potential of the life, not the events. So what 'potentials' can we see for his captivity. His MC is in Aries, appropriate for a soldier (even if not a career one). Mars is on the cusp of the sixth - a position of debility and suggests possible ill health as a result of his career. Mars' ruler is Saturn, which is also Lord 8 as well as Lord 6 (and Lord 7) so Saturn is not only an infortune but an accidental Malefic in his chart. Saturn afflicts his Ascendant from the cusp of the fifth in Sagittarius (affliction is from malefic planets, and not related to the aspect). Saturn's ruler, Jupiter is in the eighth, though in Pisces. Saturn's only dignity is a mutual reception with the South Node, itself a natural infortune and in his chart conjunct his Part of Fortune on the cusp of the fourth.

It's also worth pointing out that as Lord 7 Saturn signifies not only his partners but also his open enemies. In the context of this thread, it's the seventh as the House of Open Enemies, that is important, but we're looking at things with some hindsight. Saturn as Lord 6 and Lord 8 is more obviously malefic.

The other accidental malefic in a chart is Lord 12 and it is the twelfth House that relates to captivity. Lord 12 is the Moon, itself peregrine and placed on the eleventh cusp. Although most modern Astrologers use the eleventh solely for friendship, it is also the house of the King's servants and in war (which arguably this was) the House of the Kings's soldiery. So captivity from his role as a soldier is quite possible and his health may be endangered from it. However, I stress 'may' and 'might' - we are in the realm of potential.

If we look at his primary directions for 2006 around May to July, we can see an Opposition of Saturn to his Part of fortune in Mid May (so a possible threat from Lord 6/8). On 5th June there is a weak aspect from the Moon (Lord 12) to his MC (role in life) and in late July another aspect from Saturn to Mars (his MC ruler). Taken together, that suggests a risky period for him in the conduct of his 'work'.

The next issue is of course, his possible liberation. A horary is one possible way, through a question such as 'Will Gilad Shalit be freed in the next 6 months?' We could also sort through return charts or transits, and other derived charts. That would clearly take a long time but a shorter but less precise method might be to look for beneficial primary directions in the coming period. This is a much more difficult process because one planet can signify a whole range of things, so wheeas in hindsight we can see how the symbolism fits, it's nowhere near as obvious for the future.

So Possible freedom might come:

In a few days, when the Moon sextiles Jupiter, a natural benefic and Lord 9 of long voyages,

In October of this year when the terms of Jupiter in Gemini come to the Part of Fortune - Gemini is the sign on the eleventh cusp so he might be a soldier restored to his health and fortune.
In early January of next year when Mercury ruler of the eleventh conjoins his Ascendant.

Of course there is no way of knowing now whether any or all of these significations are relevant to his captivity.

Solar Return for Gilad Shalit prior to capture

First of all, these charts and their deliniation is somewhat complex while also quite simple. It is likely that I'll explore several charts for this soldier of Israel on my blog site in the coming days. For now, I offer these brief comments.

I have cast a precession-corrected Solar Return for 2005, prior to Gilad's capture. The S/R MC is at 7 Pisces, the S/R Asc. is at 25 Gemini.

The most interesting chart factor is transiting Uranus (8 Pisces) conjunct the S/R MC and natal Uranus (18 Sag) conjunct the Descendant and transiting Pluto (21 Sag). In effect, this gives us THREE Uranus' to consider.

** Natal Uranus in the 5th house of the natal chart; His personality thrives on being unique, giving him a sense of freedom, optimism and casualness with others.

** Natal Uranus in the 6th house of the S/R chart, close to the Desc. angle; How he works and interacts with others tends to break the mold as he takes chances based on hunches.

** Transiting Uranus at the MC of the S/R chart, opposing natal Sun, square to natal Saturn: He acts along independent lines, flaunts his uniqueness, takes chances (Uranus in the natal 5th house attribute). The opposition to the Sun can be related to any/all of several factors; setting himself apart from authority or army leadership, seeking to impress others through his highly unique attitudes, being attracted to unusual situations relating to his work.

Further, Saturn comes into play here.

** The square to natal Saturn by transiting Uranus points to a breaking of the rules, trying to establish a new framework relative to his (army) job.

** Transiting Saturn conjuncts natal Ascendant in the S/R 2nd/3rd house cusp area. Cadent chart areas, according to British astrologer Charles Carter, relates to thinking and intellectual processes. Does this mean he has plans or a strategy for expressing himself (Sun) in terms of his own personal values and desires (Sun in natal 2nd house).

The plot gets thicker! We are playing a form of astrological hop-scotch here, jumping from one factor to a related factor. S/R natal Uranus is being conjuncted by transiting Pluto. Transiting Saturn conjuncting natal Asc. is square natal Pluto. This double-Pluto link involves both Saturn and Uranus (noted above in some detail) and the natal Asc., S/R MC, S/R Asc., S/R Desc. and S/R IC. DIDN'T I MENTION THAT THE S/R SUN-SUN WAS AT THE S/R IC ANGLE? Lets look at some of this stuff.

** S/R positioned natal Uranus conjuncted by transiting Pluto; Intense and overwhelming influence counters Gilad's sense of uniqueness and individuality.

** Transiting Saturn at natal Asc.; Restrictions and rules of engagement will impact his actions, or his actions will meet resistance. He feels that he can overcome challenges, that he is in the power-seat.

** Sun-Sun at S/R IC angle; ones identity and life situation is up for total change and re-orientation.

Finally, I note that both transiting and natal Moon are in the 12 house, the transiting Moon close to contacting the Asc. from 19 Gemini. Since natal Moon was in the natal 11th house, its position in the S/R 12th house points to his "friends" (11th house) hidden values (12th house, second house of the 11th house) structuring a form of deception here. We don't have to depend upon Neptune only to provide a signature of deception.

For me, this chart's heavy angularity and presence of so many interlocking heavy planet combinations just screams out --- "A unique view of himself and how he can relate to the world places himself outside of conventional patterns and in opposition to his leaders and the nature of his hostile environment." He acted stupidly, carelessly, was led on by opportunities that only he saw and was taken advantage of quickly, brutally, completely."

We can only hope that his natural outgoing nature, penetrating intellect (which badly needs to be channeled and guided), and socialness will make him more favored in some way to his captors. Given the nature of his chart, I wouldn't be surprised if he became converted to his captor's cause to some degree.

In another posting I will look at a chart for the date of his capture. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE LIST SHOULD COMPARE THIS "MODERN" CHART ANALYSIS AND VIEW WITH MINDERWIZ'S CLASSICAL CHART VIEWS. It seems that it is not the "system" that works but the individual astrologer that "works" or tunes in to the essence of people and events. This should not be strange to Tarot Readers who also use this "tuning in" function. Dave

If he's lucky then he could be released the beginning of next year. I see no health problems as his Mars looks pretty robust and can take on this challenge and win, afterall, he's a soldier.

dadsnook2000 said:

In another posting I will look at a chart for the date of his capture. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE LIST SHOULD COMPARE THIS "MODERN" CHART ANALYSIS AND VIEW WITH MINDERWIZ'S CLASSICAL CHART VIEWS. It seems that it is not the "system" that works but the individual astrologer that "works" or tunes in to the essence of people and events. This should not be strange to Tarot Readers who also use this "tuning in" function. Dave

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Personally I'm finding the comparisons very fruitful and a great teaching tool.

dadsnook2000 said:

In another posting I will look at a chart for the date of his capture. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE LIST SHOULD COMPARE THIS "MODERN" CHART ANALYSIS AND VIEW WITH MINDERWIZ'S CLASSICAL CHART VIEWS. It seems that it is not the "system" that works but the individual astrologer that "works" or tunes in to the essence of people and events. This should not be strange to Tarot Readers who also use this "tuning in" function. Dave

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Just to mildly disagree with Dave LOL

You should also note some (not immediately obvious) similarities. I love reading Dave's posts because he blends a strong methodology and structure with insight. There is nothing 'whimsical' about his Astrology it's well thought out and directed. If I were following a modern approach, Dave would be one of my role models (as Stephen Arroyo used to be and who still influences the way I think about Astrology).

In that sense we both see Astrology as being a mixture of Saturn and Mercury with some illuminated by the Moon. The methods may be different but the need for structure and a solid knowledge base is still there. If you like we both insist that Astrology has a logic but also a soul.

We also both passionately believe that Astrological skills can be taught, that the Astrologer is central to the process and we both believe that Astrology is a good servant but a bad master - neither of us allows our lives to be run by it.

We may not always agree but oddly we often come to similar conclusions. from different directions. The message is that Astrology does work and in Lilly's phrase allows us 'to talk to the angels'

Incidentally it raises an issue I've been thinking about recently. Why does Astrology work? And it might be a good time to start a thread on that theme.