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diana says
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On a personal note, my hunger is satisfied with the Marseille tradition, because it reaches much further than a 19th/20th Century secret society which based many of its teachings on some obscure document of unknown origin (at that time at least) (Cipher Manuscript) and full of intestinal disputes by people vying for personal power.
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i think that is a statement that is lacking in opening up one own eyes to the golden dawn itself.
the rider waite, version of the golden dawn is so based in the marsielles based on what i read in the qabalistic tarot by robert wang (who also compares the thoth deck as well ) to the marsielles.
the differnces besides the switch of strength with justice, which i feel personally is because of the hebrew letter meanings serpent. and that doesn't fit justice but the kundalini of the strenght card.
the meanings behind the pips although they were changed by smiths pictures take are the same.
the golden dawn i think took what is , and added in by clarifying the qabbalah, astrology meanings behind the tarot.
for an organization that used some obscure docuement (which was mainly written by mathers himself it is widely believed) and full of power struggles its influence over the thoth, the rider, paul foster case and all their clones and their decks that that have any influence on them but are not clones is very powerful.
but know that they did come from the marsielles deck.
i think it isn't a fault of the organization itself but the individuals in the deck , crowley, waite, and this was a result of not of power i think but of belief and logic and reasonsing that was the difference between them.
(althougth people were mad when crowley got up to a certain level and got the boot from the order for it was done by one member and not the council ).
one can go only go so far back in tradition as for its feasiblity in today modern society. the bible for example has outgrown its usefulness in some regards but then again it was written by man, guided by man what they wanted to teach the people.
and so it is with the tarot,
marsielles might be the old testement, and gd style decks the new testment.
the answer lies here in our hearts, and i feel in my heart that though the order of the golden dawn was short lived and had disputes, (which orgnaniation has not had disputes ) what they achieved not only tarot wise but magick and knowledge wise was very incredible.
i come from a modern and somewhat traditional approach they have to meet somewhere, the tarotist has to see that if they are to keep an open mind, study everything about the tarot, and travle into advanced level of tarot knowledge.
(i am not advanced but just barely getting started on my journey).
it is my hope that i see a new stage of tarot study by the felloship of the silver night or something like that if only to see things updated, and fixed like the 7 outer planets added.
yet we will not see these things in the rider which now and forever can't be changed like the marsilles and thoth can't
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On a personal note, my hunger is satisfied with the Marseille tradition, because it reaches much further than a 19th/20th Century secret society which based many of its teachings on some obscure document of unknown origin (at that time at least) (Cipher Manuscript) and full of intestinal disputes by people vying for personal power.
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i think that is a statement that is lacking in opening up one own eyes to the golden dawn itself.
the rider waite, version of the golden dawn is so based in the marsielles based on what i read in the qabalistic tarot by robert wang (who also compares the thoth deck as well ) to the marsielles.
the differnces besides the switch of strength with justice, which i feel personally is because of the hebrew letter meanings serpent. and that doesn't fit justice but the kundalini of the strenght card.
the meanings behind the pips although they were changed by smiths pictures take are the same.
the golden dawn i think took what is , and added in by clarifying the qabbalah, astrology meanings behind the tarot.
for an organization that used some obscure docuement (which was mainly written by mathers himself it is widely believed) and full of power struggles its influence over the thoth, the rider, paul foster case and all their clones and their decks that that have any influence on them but are not clones is very powerful.
but know that they did come from the marsielles deck.
i think it isn't a fault of the organization itself but the individuals in the deck , crowley, waite, and this was a result of not of power i think but of belief and logic and reasonsing that was the difference between them.
(althougth people were mad when crowley got up to a certain level and got the boot from the order for it was done by one member and not the council ).
one can go only go so far back in tradition as for its feasiblity in today modern society. the bible for example has outgrown its usefulness in some regards but then again it was written by man, guided by man what they wanted to teach the people.
and so it is with the tarot,
marsielles might be the old testement, and gd style decks the new testment.
the answer lies here in our hearts, and i feel in my heart that though the order of the golden dawn was short lived and had disputes, (which orgnaniation has not had disputes ) what they achieved not only tarot wise but magick and knowledge wise was very incredible.
i come from a modern and somewhat traditional approach they have to meet somewhere, the tarotist has to see that if they are to keep an open mind, study everything about the tarot, and travle into advanced level of tarot knowledge.
(i am not advanced but just barely getting started on my journey).
it is my hope that i see a new stage of tarot study by the felloship of the silver night or something like that if only to see things updated, and fixed like the 7 outer planets added.
yet we will not see these things in the rider which now and forever can't be changed like the marsilles and thoth can't