zhan.thay
Hi ravynangel, Thanks for your info. I was adding the examples above when you posted.
Celtic Astrology Sign
ravynangel
Labhraín
Celtic Tree Calendar
It's interesting, this site is the only one that says I am a Vine:
http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html
I wonder if that is wear the maker of the pendant that I have got their information?
It's interesting, this site is the only one that says I am a Vine:
http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html
I wonder if that is wear the maker of the pendant that I have got their information?
ravynangel
Labhraín
Aaaahh, yes birthstone jewelry...I hadn't thought of it in that regard. You're right. I'll have a look at that website you just linked to - thanks.
zhan.thay
Using the same calendar rule from http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/tree.html
All times and dates below are UTC, roughly, standard time in the UK.
For the current year, 2013:
Yule: 11:11 21 Dec 2012
closest Full Moon: 10:20 28 Dec 2012
Yule: 17:10 21 Dec 2013
closest Full Moon: 09:27 17 Dec 2013
Yule: 23:02 21 Dec 2014
closest Full Moon: 04:53 05 Jan 2015
There are problems with this system. It’s all good if each year is taken in isolation but when you look at successive years 13 lunar months can overlap, so that the 13th month of one year begins with the same Full Moon as the 1st of the next year. I have created a spreadsheet for all the years from Winter Solstice 1899 to Winter Solstice 2051 using the times and dates from an astronomy program. I haven’t completed the month numbering yet but right from the start it was clear that, of the first 17 years, 11 cycles overlapped and only 6 were Ok across the year transition.
Looking again at 2013:
When we come to start 2014, its 1st month starts on the same Full Moon as the 13th month of the previous year.
This transition works Ok.
This last one will be an overlap.
There are good reasons to start the year with the Longest Night/Winter Solstice. This is the time of slowest growth of plants, close to the coldest time, greatest darkness in the year. The Sun at noon is at it’s lowest point on the local meridian and the Sunrise and Sunset points on the horizon are at their closest approach to the Equator. These ‘standstill’ points are said to be marked by stones in many stone circles such as Stonehenge, according to a book I have, “The Secret Language of the Stars and Planets” by Geoffrey Cornelius & Paul Devereux.
After Winter Solstice, the length of each day will gradually increase until the Summer Solstice, moving fastest around the Spring Equinox.
It’s also, obviously, important that the Moon’s cycles are known to be continuous. What is difficult is to get the two systems to marry up on a calendar. As I mentioned before, calendars from other cultures, such as the Chinese and Kalachakra, have calendar rules that compensate for the inconsistency between the solar cycle and the lunar cycle. From what I’ve read on the websites quoted in this thread there is a lot of skepticism about the authenticity of what is being presented as Celtic Astrology – in fact, that most of it is pure conjecture overlaid by modern ‘new age’ concepts and terminology. The Wikipedia entries for Celts and Names of the Celts make for interesting reading.
Yule being Winter Solstice (Northern hemisphere) - a solar date
All times and dates below are UTC, roughly, standard time in the UK.
For the current year, 2013:
Yule: 11:11 21 Dec 2012
closest Full Moon: 10:20 28 Dec 2012
Yule: 17:10 21 Dec 2013
closest Full Moon: 09:27 17 Dec 2013
Yule: 23:02 21 Dec 2014
closest Full Moon: 04:53 05 Jan 2015
There are problems with this system. It’s all good if each year is taken in isolation but when you look at successive years 13 lunar months can overlap, so that the 13th month of one year begins with the same Full Moon as the 1st of the next year. I have created a spreadsheet for all the years from Winter Solstice 1899 to Winter Solstice 2051 using the times and dates from an astronomy program. I haven’t completed the month numbering yet but right from the start it was clear that, of the first 17 years, 11 cycles overlapped and only 6 were Ok across the year transition.
Looking again at 2013:
Code:
11:11 21 Dec 2012 Winter Solstice
10:20 28 Dec 2012 Full Moon 1
04:38 27 Jan 2013 Full Moon 2
20:25 25 Feb 2013 Full Moon 3
09:27 27 Mar 2013 Full Moon 4
19:57 25 Apr 2013 Full Moon 5
04:25 25 May 2013 Full Moon 6
11:33 23 Jun 2013 Full Moon 7
18:16 22 Jul 2013 Full Moon 8
01:44 21 Aug 2013 Full Moon 9
11:13 19 Sep 2013 Full Moon 10
23:37 18 Oct 2013 Full Moon 11
15:15 17 Nov 2013 Full Moon 12
09:27 17 Dec 2013 Full Moon 13When we come to start 2014, its 1st month starts on the same Full Moon as the 13th month of the previous year.
Code:
09:27 17 Dec 2013 Full Moon 13 1
17:10 21 Dec 2013 Winter Solstice
04:51 16 Jan 2014 Full Moon 2
23:52 14 Feb 2014 Full Moon 3
17:07 16 Mar 2014 Full Moon 4
07:42 15 Apr 2014 Full Moon 5
19:15 14 May 2014 Full Moon 6
04:11 13 Jun 2014 Full Moon 7
11:25 12 Jul 2014 Full Moon 8
18:10 10 Aug 2014 Full Moon 9
01:38 09 Sep 2014 Full Moon 10
10:51 08 Oct 2014 Full Moon 11
22:22 06 Nov 2014 Full Moon 12
12:26 06 Dec 2014 Full Moon 13This transition works Ok.
Code:
23:02 21 Dec 2014 Winter Solstice
04:53 05 Jan 2015 Full Moon 1
23:08 03 Feb 2015 Full Moon 2
18:04 05 Mar 2015 Full Moon 3
12:05 04 Apr 2015 Full Moon 4
03:41 04 May 2015 Full Moon 5
16:18 02 Jun 2015 Full Moon 6
02:19 02 Jul 2015 Full Moon 7
10:43 31 Jul 2015 Full Moon 8
18:35 28 Sep 2015 Full Moon 10
12:05 27 Oct 2015 Full Moon 11
22:44 25 Nov 2015 Full Moon 12
04:47 22 Dec 2015 Winter Solstice
11:11 25 Dec 2015 Full Moon 13 1There are good reasons to start the year with the Longest Night/Winter Solstice. This is the time of slowest growth of plants, close to the coldest time, greatest darkness in the year. The Sun at noon is at it’s lowest point on the local meridian and the Sunrise and Sunset points on the horizon are at their closest approach to the Equator. These ‘standstill’ points are said to be marked by stones in many stone circles such as Stonehenge, according to a book I have, “The Secret Language of the Stars and Planets” by Geoffrey Cornelius & Paul Devereux.
After Winter Solstice, the length of each day will gradually increase until the Summer Solstice, moving fastest around the Spring Equinox.
It’s also, obviously, important that the Moon’s cycles are known to be continuous. What is difficult is to get the two systems to marry up on a calendar. As I mentioned before, calendars from other cultures, such as the Chinese and Kalachakra, have calendar rules that compensate for the inconsistency between the solar cycle and the lunar cycle. From what I’ve read on the websites quoted in this thread there is a lot of skepticism about the authenticity of what is being presented as Celtic Astrology – in fact, that most of it is pure conjecture overlaid by modern ‘new age’ concepts and terminology. The Wikipedia entries for Celts and Names of the Celts make for interesting reading.
ravynangel
DavidMcCann
The best comment I know on "Celtic astrology" was made by the historian Peter Beresford Ellis (Astrology 39:4 p.17): "The Celtic 'tree zodiac' fabrications, the direct result of Robert Graves' invention of a 'tree calendar', have become an almost insurmountable barrier to any serious study..."
Some of the "Old Irish tree names" are just rubbish:
Muin doesn't mean "vine", but "neck"
Gort doesn't mean "ivy", but "field"
uath doesn't mean "hawthorn", but "fear"
The Celts got their astrology from Greece, like everyone else. There are Irish astrological charts, perfectly conventional, surviving from the 7th century. The "Celtic astrology" being marketed today is pure invention by people who, as Peter said, "wouldn't recognise a Celt if one greeted them in the street with 'Conas tá tu?'"
Some of the "Old Irish tree names" are just rubbish:
Muin doesn't mean "vine", but "neck"
Gort doesn't mean "ivy", but "field"
uath doesn't mean "hawthorn", but "fear"
The Celts got their astrology from Greece, like everyone else. There are Irish astrological charts, perfectly conventional, surviving from the 7th century. The "Celtic astrology" being marketed today is pure invention by people who, as Peter said, "wouldn't recognise a Celt if one greeted them in the street with 'Conas tá tu?'"
ravynangel
Ronia
Um... There is no such fact as that the Bible is based entirely on imagination but there are continuous discoveries which, hopefully, will soon throw more light onto the life of Jesus as he was.
There si also the fact that the words' meaning is incorrect as David pointed and if the names are just made up, I'm not sure how much we can rely on the rest.
It is a fact that astrology at the time was vastly borrowed from other nations, better developed and educated in the field, and Hellenistic astrology was not exactly taken from Egyptian. More so from babylonian, then Alexander the Great conquered the ancient world and the knowledge spread, while in Hellenistic Egypt it mixed to create the horoscopic astrology. Wikipedia has a good article on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_astrology
There si also the fact that the words' meaning is incorrect as David pointed and if the names are just made up, I'm not sure how much we can rely on the rest.
It is a fact that astrology at the time was vastly borrowed from other nations, better developed and educated in the field, and Hellenistic astrology was not exactly taken from Egyptian. More so from babylonian, then Alexander the Great conquered the ancient world and the knowledge spread, while in Hellenistic Egypt it mixed to create the horoscopic astrology. Wikipedia has a good article on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_astrology
