I think the rest of us are fine with the way you choose YOUR thread to run LaForce. Please continue. If its helping you, just continue and ask what you will.
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Thanks, It does help, cause I do have not just the RWS deck but clones with different images like the Steampunk Tarot (BM) and they are based off of Waite's meanings too. so if I can wrap my head around it great
That's probably off topic, but in a nutshell, the fives, being associated with Geburah (Strength, Sephirah 5), introduce a disruptive influence into each of the suits, a status quo or accustomed state of affairs is being disturbed. Crowley explains that this is not evil in itself: "The natural feeling about it is really a little more than the reluctance of people to get up from lunch and go back to the job." In fact, "Every phenomenon is a sacrament," including disruptive events. In each suit the disruption of the five takes a different form, which Crowley relates to the decans and the characteristics of the corresponding elements.
I read up on the Five's, in the Thoth. I found this very interesting. and in doing so, It just confirmed me thoughts about how Waite's meanings contradict.
5 of Wands - Strife (this card isn't taken in detail) therefore I can't yet comment.
5 of Cups - Disappointment
"as is only natural, because fire delights in superabundant energy, whereas the water of pleasure is naturally placid, and any disturbance of ease can only be regarded as misfortune."
Waite:
"It is a card of loss, but something remains over, it is a card of inheritance, patrimony, transmission, but not corresponding to expectation."
Is Waite calling this card "death" ?
when in fact it is just a small disappointment, like someone cancelling out on plans made, or just being let down by a friend, that feeling of disappointment you have.
If that is the case, then this changes the meaning and therefore the image needs to be changed in RWS deck.
5 of Swords - Defeat
"There has been insufficient power to maintain the armed peace of the four. The quarrel has actually broken out."
"This must mean defeat, for the original idea of the Sword was a manifestation of the result of the love between the Wand and the Cup."
Is this saying it is a Lover's Quarrel?
Waite:
"He is the master in possession of the field". Degradation, destruction, revocation, infamy, dishonour, loss, with the variants and analogues of these.
As you can see Waite make it a two sided meaning or story to the card.
basically an argument has broken out, there is no victor or victim, it is just that an argument, nothing more.
5 of Pentacles - Worry
"The soft quiet of the four has been completely overthrown; the card is called Worry. The idea is of strangling, as dogs worry sheep."
Does this mean Herding? cause sheep dogs herd sheep.
"The economic system has broken down; there is no more balance between the social orders."
This to me means "Chaos". That when economic structure has fallen down in countries, the people go into total social chaos, fights break out, society falls, etc.
"The Disks being as they are, stolid and obstinate, as compared with the other weapons, for their revolution serves to stabilize them, there is no action."
Then does this mean, that the Chaos is here to stay, there isn't resolution to the current state?
Waite: refers to this card as "material trouble" and "Destitution". then Waite adds in Cartomancists: it is a card of Love and Lovers, wife, husband, friend, mistress.
This took me 45 min to type up. sorry I hope it didn't time out for posting, or I have to re-type it.