Aeclectic Tarot
Tarot Cards & Reviews Live Tarot Readings Tarot Card Meanings Forum Archive

"Gates-of-Hell" Surcotes

  > Aeclectic Tarot Forum > Tarot Special Interest > Marseilles & Other Early Decks


 
Ross G Caldwell's Avatar
Ross G Caldwell  Ross G Caldwell is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 07 Jul 2003
Location: Béziers, France
Posts: 2,649
Ross G Caldwell 
Citizen

Ross G Caldwell's Avatar
Re: Please


Quote:
Originally posted by Fulgour
Does anyone know what this style of clothing was called
in French and Italian? ("Gates of Hell")

It would really be appreciated.
My Petit Robert (French) and Zanichelli (Italian), both big dictionaries, don't have "pellotes" or "cyclas" - so it is a puzzle.

Du Cange (Glossarium mediae et infimae latinitatis) has an entry for "Pellotum", where he simply notes it is a type of draping garment; he gives no romance language equivalents.

There are some guides to medieval clothing in my library, so I'll look there when I get a chance.

According to http://www.anastacias.com/Scrappies.htm

"The Pellotes or Sideless Surcoat worn in the 12th cent. legend has it that this surcoat was known as the Gates of Hell because the style tempted men to look upon the woman's figure in a close fitting under garment."

(but you already knew that)
Top   #11
Fulgour's Avatar
Fulgour  Fulgour is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 10 Jun 2004
Location: slumbrin in the windrows of the hours...
Posts: 7,828
Fulgour 
Citizen

Fulgour's Avatar
coming and going...?


Silvia (thanks!) posted a reference to this passage on another thread,
regarding La Maison Dieu:

Genesis 28, 10 – 18: “Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Haran.
[...]
When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, "Surely the LORD is
in this place, and I was not aware of it." He was afraid and said,
"How awesome is this place! This is none other than the
house of God; this is the gate of heaven."

Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under
his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.
He called that place Bethel, though the city used to be called Luz.”

*

I can (respectfully) imagine: xiii XIIII xv XVI xvii (gates?)

*

ADDED Re Eberhard's posting (see below)
High Middle Ages, 14th Century
Armelloses Surkot = "Sideless Surcote"

http://www.gandiva.de/03_Teufelsfens...ss.413x576.jpg

http://www.gandiva.de/Teufelsfenster_gross.813x574.jpg

Teufels Fenster = "Devils Window" (approx.)
Top   #12
smleite's Avatar
smleite  smleite is offline
Citizen
 
Join Date: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 503
smleite 
Citizen

smleite's Avatar

"Hell and heaven are within you, both gates are within you.
When you are behaving unconsciously there is the gate of hell; when you become alert and conscious, there is the gate of heaven."

by Osho
Top   #13
Eberhard  Eberhard is offline
Resident
 
Join Date: 22 Oct 2003
Location: Schaffhausen
Posts: 60
Eberhard 
Resident

In this article on the site of a workshop in Germany specializing in the reconstruction of medieval garments they call it "Surkot", "Teufelsfenster" (windows of/for the devil) because the Surkot allowed to have a glimpse of the waistline. The picture was taken from: H.Norris "Medieval Costume and Fashion".
Top   #14


 


 


Tarot Cards & Reviews Free Tarot Readings Tarot Books Tarot Card Meanings Forum Archive
Aeclectic Tarot Forum Links
· Tarot
· Tarot Special Interest
· Beyond Tarot
· Forum Library

Aeclectic Tarot Categories
· Angel Decks
· Dark & Gothic Decks
· Goddess Decks
· Fairy Decks
· Doreen Virtue Decks
· Beginner Decks
· Cat Decks
· Pagan & Wiccan Decks
· Ancient Egyptian Decks
· Celtic Decks
· Lenormand Decks
· Rider-Waite Decks
· Marseilles Decks
· Thoth Decks
· Oracle Decks
· List All Decks
· Popular Tarot Decks
· Available Decks
· Tarot Books
· What's New

The Aeclectic Tarot Forum closed permanently on July 14th, 2017. The public threads remain online as a read-only archive and resource. More information on our decision can be found here. Thank you for being a part of our active community over the past seventeen years.

Copyright © 1996 - 2017 Aeclectic Tarot. All rights reserved. Privacy Policy. Contact us.