Melanchollic said:
Excerpts from
Henry Cornelius Agrippa's
Second Book of Occult Philosophy, chapter 21:
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So to summarize just the
planets mentioned by Agrippa, emphasizing the first planet mentioned:
1 = Sun, Jupiter
2 = Moon, Saturn, Mars
3 = Jupiter, Sun, Venus
4 = Sun
5 = Mercury
6 = Venus
7 = Saturn, Moon
8 = Jupiter, Saturn
9 = Moon, Mars
10 = Sun
In applying these to the
Loop Model, I make a few changes, but try to favor the emphasized planets.
I tried to streamline Agrippa a bit, to make these planetary considerations even more practical and useful than they already are for the average card reader out there.
As both 4 and 7 occupy the same point on the model, I give them both to Saturn, with the Sun co-ruling the 4, and the Moon co-ruling the 7. For the 9, I give it firstly to Mars, with co-rulership from the Moon. For the 2, I give it firstly to the Moon, with co-rulership from Mars, and lesser so from Saturn. For the 3 and 8, I give them squarely to Jupiter. For the 1 and 10, squarely to the Sun.
So we have something like this:
1.........10 > Sun
2.........(9) > Moon/Mars, (Mars/Moon)
3..........8 > Jupiter
4........(7) > Saturn/Sun, (Saturn/Moon)
5........(6) > Mercury, (Venus)
or,
Okay, so I've been looking at this today (let's just say that my symphony rehearsal was BOOOOORing), and finding myself full o' questions.
If I add the elements to what you've posted above, I get this:
1 (fire/choleric/Sun).........10 (earth/melancholic/Sun)
2 (water/phlegmatic/Moon/Mars).........9 (air/sanguine/Mars/Moon)
3 (air/sanguine/Jupiter)..........8 (water/phlegmatic/Jupiter)
4 (earth/melancholic/Saturn/Sun)........7 (fire/choleric/Saturn/Moon)
5 (air/sanguine/Mercury)........6 (water/phlegmatic/Venus)
I quite enjoy the symmetry of your model (that diagram is awesome), but I don't see some of the elemental/planetary correspondences, particularly when I equate the elements to the humors.
To start at the top -
1 (fire/choleric/Sun).........10 (earth/melancholic/Sun)
Okay, 1 makes sense. But 10 as earth/melancholic/SUN?? I'm not getting that as a correspondence of the Sun with earth. I would read it as Saturn (melancholic + the end of the matter... you've gone as far from the Sun as you can, time to turn around and go back..) If you've read venicebard around here, he (she?) says that the Sun is AIR/Sanguine in esoteric circles. In Vedic the Sun is a malefic, fiery, burning god, fwiw.
Some keywords from my notes
1: "by which", Impulse, the Divine - Aries
10: the Divine, Consolidation, 'the completion of this action', reason and calm - Aquarius
2 (water/phlegmatic/Moon/Mars).........9 (air/sanguine/Mars/Moon)
Seeing the 2 & 9 as basically malefic works for me (2 of Cups, anyone?), but I see Mars as a choleric, fiery planet. Definitely not the happy sanguinity of air, though the inconstancy of air works for Mars (vs. the long-acting fiery Sun)
Keywords, 2: 'from which', separation, gestation, without effect, crisis of separation, differentiation - Cancer
9: 'process of this action', falls short of perfection, 'near perfect, limitation, failure', crisis of separation, new action, starts new cycle (after the 8) - Scorpio
3 (air/sanguine/Jupiter)..........8 (water/phlegmatic/Jupiter)
Air/sanguine/Jupiter (3) vs. water/phlegmatic/Jupiter (8) I can see, if I look at the first as Sagittarius, and the second as Pisces. However, I don't see Jupiter/Pisces as fitting with the double-cubedness of the 8 as four 4s. (ETA: "embracer of all harmonies? Pisces!)
Keywords 3: 'by means of which', completion, the means, gives direction, introduces activity - Sagittarius
8: 'the action of this end object, separation, 'embracer of all harmonies', safety, the means, stability, marks an ending/stasis - Pisces
4 (earth/melancholic/Saturn/Sun)........7 (fire/choleric/Saturn/Moon)
My next big problem is 7/fire/choleric/SATURN/MOON. That is a big disconnect with me. Saturn is cold and dry/melancholic, right? moon is cold/moist = water/phlegmatic??
Keywords, 4: 'with what end; consolidation, pt. farthest from the Divine, things that fall into place - Capricorn
7: 'the impulse towards this end', easily missed opportunity, completion with success, action that utilises power contained in 6, pt. farthest from Divine - Leo??
5 (air/sanguine/Mercury)........6 (water/phlegmatic/Venus)
Now, I suppose I could live with Venus as phlegmatic (especially as ruling Taurus), where she's luxurious and sensual (vs. Libra and more airy/sanguine)
Keywords, 5: 'the intention for this end' transition, marriage number - Libra?
6:'the purpose of this end', harmonious balance, latent power/potential, reserves which can be drawn from, marriage number - Taurus?
Of course, that leaves out my sign, Virgo, and it's opposite, Gemini. And I know that seeing the signs that way doesn't jive with the ancients - come to think of it, perhaps I should find a way to stick Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto in there and be done with it!