RohanMenon
These are study notes, made as I'm working through Lilly's works, and are written from the point of view of a student (vs an expert astrologer). I'll recast every chart Lilly uses, and for each 'method' learned, will work through a new chart for a similar question. That said, if anyone is following along, you'll need the books. These are just notes, not a full replication.
Expect plenty of questions and requests for clarification from experts astrologers, and hopefully these will help other students working through these (most excellent) books.
Before he gets to specific horary questions and methods in Volume 2, Lilly gives a general outline of his overall method towards the end of Vol 1.
Here are my notes, (and questions where I found Lilly unclear)
" ......
Four ways by which the matter may be bought to pass (I've reorganized these a bit from the original)
I. By applying aspect - essentially, this requires the significators of the querent and quesited to form a classical aspect by application. Each aspect has slightly different requirements as below.
1. Conjunction
If one significator applies to a conjunction with the other, with no prohibition[1] or refranation [2] before the conjunction perfects.
a. If the conjunction were to happen in an angular house, the matter will manifest without hindrance or delay
b. If in a succedent house, not so soon.
c. In a cadent house, with delay and much struggle.
Accidental and essential dignities give testimony to the matter perfecting. Debilities to the contrary.
2. Sextile and Trine
If significators apply to each other by sextile or trine *and* they are in good houses/places of essential dignity, *and* no malefic aspect intervene as the aspect is perfected. ( I assume no prohibition, refranation etc applies as above)
3. Square
If one significator applies to a square aspect to the other, 'things are produced to perfection' *if*
a. each significator has essential dignity
b. and apply out of proper houses (by which I think Lilly means non 6th-8th-12th)
else no dice
4. Opposition
When significators apply to an opposition aspect, things may come to pass, if
a. there is mutual reception by house (does Lilly mean 'sign' here? As far as I know mutual reception is calculated with signs, not houses) and out of friendly houses (so here 'house' means 'house', and not 'sign'?)
b. and the Moon must separate from the significator of the thing demanded (same as quesited?)
Lilly cautions that when significators apply to opposition, even when the 'thing demanded' manifests it is often in such a manner that the recepient wishes it hadn't. Like winning a court case, but spending more in legal fees than the money obtained.
II. By Translation of Light [3]
When the significators are *separating* (so above rules don't apply) from a conjunction, sextile or trine aspect (What happens when separating from square and opposition?) *and*
a. a third planet is in reception with one of the significators
b. separates from *this* significator
c. applies to the other significator by 'conjunction or aspect' (?? any aspect?)
d. *and* this aspect (third planet to second significator) is perfected before this third planet encounters any other aspect
THEN, this third planet is said to translate the virtue of one significator to the other. In practise, this means that a person or circumstance of the nature of the translating (third) planet brings the matter to manifestation.
The house this translating planet rules also provides information on this helping person.
III By Collection of Light
a. The significators don't aspect each other, but
b. they do aspect a 3d planet.
c. Both significators receive this 3d planet in one of their dignities
In such a case a person signified by the collecting planet shall bring the matter to conclusion. Lilly give the example of a neighbor who reconciles two people quarreling. (in this case I suppose the collecting
planet will have some reference to the third house of the chart)
IV. It sometimes happens that (even in the absence of all the above) if the quesited significator is in the 1st house, or a house signifying the quesited (so 10th for a job query, seventh for a relationship query etc)
[ok I am not sure if Lilly says this 'rule of the ancients' holds or not. I think he is saying this does *not* hold, but I am not sure
Minderwiz! help!
]
...."
In the next post on this thread, I'll work through Lilly's first proper horary chart, where he (among other things) calculates the longevity of the querent. Interesting, because most modern astrologers stay clear of 'predicting death'.
Even more interesting is that he answers a whole battery of questions from the same horary chart. Some of these questions are very divergent, but he groups them all under '1st house questions' and gets amazing answers from a single chart.
I'll also be applying this method to another chart from my own practise, to make sure I've absorbed this technique correctly.
Uggh: I can't edit the title. Should have been *Christian* Astrology (there is a typo in the word "Christian")
Expect plenty of questions and requests for clarification from experts astrologers, and hopefully these will help other students working through these (most excellent) books.
Before he gets to specific horary questions and methods in Volume 2, Lilly gives a general outline of his overall method towards the end of Vol 1.
Here are my notes, (and questions where I found Lilly unclear)
" ......
Four ways by which the matter may be bought to pass (I've reorganized these a bit from the original)
I. By applying aspect - essentially, this requires the significators of the querent and quesited to form a classical aspect by application. Each aspect has slightly different requirements as below.
1. Conjunction
If one significator applies to a conjunction with the other, with no prohibition[1] or refranation [2] before the conjunction perfects.
a. If the conjunction were to happen in an angular house, the matter will manifest without hindrance or delay
b. If in a succedent house, not so soon.
c. In a cadent house, with delay and much struggle.
Accidental and essential dignities give testimony to the matter perfecting. Debilities to the contrary.
2. Sextile and Trine
If significators apply to each other by sextile or trine *and* they are in good houses/places of essential dignity, *and* no malefic aspect intervene as the aspect is perfected. ( I assume no prohibition, refranation etc applies as above)
3. Square
If one significator applies to a square aspect to the other, 'things are produced to perfection' *if*
a. each significator has essential dignity
b. and apply out of proper houses (by which I think Lilly means non 6th-8th-12th)
else no dice
4. Opposition
When significators apply to an opposition aspect, things may come to pass, if
a. there is mutual reception by house (does Lilly mean 'sign' here? As far as I know mutual reception is calculated with signs, not houses) and out of friendly houses (so here 'house' means 'house', and not 'sign'?)
b. and the Moon must separate from the significator of the thing demanded (same as quesited?)
Lilly cautions that when significators apply to opposition, even when the 'thing demanded' manifests it is often in such a manner that the recepient wishes it hadn't. Like winning a court case, but spending more in legal fees than the money obtained.
II. By Translation of Light [3]
When the significators are *separating* (so above rules don't apply) from a conjunction, sextile or trine aspect (What happens when separating from square and opposition?) *and*
a. a third planet is in reception with one of the significators
b. separates from *this* significator
c. applies to the other significator by 'conjunction or aspect' (?? any aspect?)
d. *and* this aspect (third planet to second significator) is perfected before this third planet encounters any other aspect
THEN, this third planet is said to translate the virtue of one significator to the other. In practise, this means that a person or circumstance of the nature of the translating (third) planet brings the matter to manifestation.
The house this translating planet rules also provides information on this helping person.
III By Collection of Light
a. The significators don't aspect each other, but
b. they do aspect a 3d planet.
c. Both significators receive this 3d planet in one of their dignities
In such a case a person signified by the collecting planet shall bring the matter to conclusion. Lilly give the example of a neighbor who reconciles two people quarreling. (in this case I suppose the collecting
planet will have some reference to the third house of the chart)
IV. It sometimes happens that (even in the absence of all the above) if the quesited significator is in the 1st house, or a house signifying the quesited (so 10th for a job query, seventh for a relationship query etc)
[ok I am not sure if Lilly says this 'rule of the ancients' holds or not. I think he is saying this does *not* hold, but I am not sure
Minderwiz! help!
]
...."
In the next post on this thread, I'll work through Lilly's first proper horary chart, where he (among other things) calculates the longevity of the querent. Interesting, because most modern astrologers stay clear of 'predicting death'.
Even more interesting is that he answers a whole battery of questions from the same horary chart. Some of these questions are very divergent, but he groups them all under '1st house questions' and gets amazing answers from a single chart.
I'll also be applying this method to another chart from my own practise, to make sure I've absorbed this technique correctly.
Uggh: I can't edit the title. Should have been *Christian* Astrology (there is a typo in the word "Christian")