[Disclaimer: I am not trying to take sides or discredit anyone or even hijack this thread, just that what I'm about to say has come to mind before about this forum topic, and it has bothered me more than once.]
Maybe its not that great an idea to try to discuss in this forum topic one card or a combination of cards that are being pulled as a part of a bigger spread...because I think that tempts us to latch onto a "meaning" suggested that may or not fit the spread (but perhaps fits what we might like it to mean in the spread.)
Always, the other cards will color any one card's particular meaning in a spread.
This discussion is why I am becoming more convinced that reversals or Elemental Dignities or the like are important for newer readers to learn, too.
Upright, those two cards are just as Thirteen said...reverse one, the other or both, and you are looking at something entirely different--and even more difference is likely when you factor in the other remaining cards of the spread. And you can't really tell their aspects if we just pull them out of a spread and hope to get a meaning for them. In fact, it probably does more disservice to the seeker than help. You know?
To discuss various meanings of cards or card combinations is one thing and probably the reason this topic is here. But if we are trying to see how a card fits or colors a reading when pulled from a spread, I don't think it works that well here.
Sorry if this post doesn't belong here, but I think it is pertinent to the way this discussion has proceeded, and I wonder if others have thought about those things, as well.