Kenny
Just a quick question: is there any resources that talk about angels and the Kabbalah?
Kenny said:Just a quick question: is there any resources that talk about angels and the Kabbalah?
Kenny said:Just a quick question: is there any resources that talk about angels and the Kabbalah?
As an aside, this implies something long maintained by me, namely that the arrangement of Sefirot in pairs in Sefer Yetzirah, which includes the four quarters (east-west-south-north), relates specifically to the Briah world (it being 2nd, hence paired), since archangels are generally considered to be four in number (Michael-Raphael-Gabriel-Uriel) and are often associated with the four quarters.Gazel said:Archangels being connected to Briah, and angels to Yetzirah.
venicebard said:As an aside, this implies something long maintained by me, namely that the arrangement of Sefirot in pairs in Sefer Yetzirah, which includes the four quarters (east-west-south-north), relates specifically to the Briah world (it being 2nd, hence paired), since archangels are generally considered to be four in number (Michael-Raphael-Gabriel-Uriel) and are often associated with the four quarters.
venicebard said:Furthermore, it is angels, I believe, who do such things as announce the conception of children at key moments in the Bible: this points, then, to the Yetzirah world being associated with the diagram of Sefirot in triplicities, that is, pairs with offspring, which is the most common depiction of the Tree and the one referenced in the Zohar.
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venicebard said:The Tree in Atzilut, I maintain, is described in the book Bahir, and that of Asiyah, then, can only be the one made of planetary cycles (as preserved in Hermetic Kabbalah, but with sol being 2, the 'precession' or great year, since this is the relation between 6-year-ecliptic and 10-day-equator). The latter becomes in TdM the suit of coins or rounds (cycles).]
Now bear with me a moment, and honestly I do not know how much of this is still known to rabbis, as I had to figure it out myself.Gazel said:No I must put it differently: Is the Sefer Yetzirah about the Yetzirah world only, or also about the three other worlds?
Yes, in the sense that with each world in sequence (Atzilut-Briah-Yetzirah-Asiyah) arises a new set of relationships that adds itself on to those of the preceding worlds.So, that would mean that the way the Sefirot are organised and connected differs from world to world?
I hope that the above explanation of the Bahir as relates to Atzilut and the elements as they relate to Asiyah may at least help make clear that to which I was referring.This I really don't understand, I'm sorry to say.
venicebard said:as I had to figure it out myself..
venicebard said:I claim Sefer Yetzirah is not about the Yetzirah world at all (except inasmuch as the Briah world contains it in its belly, so to speak), but about the Briah world, hence that its title is a 'blind' (an obscuring of secrets), one hinted at by the fact that the book is almost always referred to in English as 'Book of Creation': 'creation' is closer in meaning to Briah (what I call the 'life world') than to Yetzirah, 'formation' (what I call the 'form world').
Yes, in the sense that with each world in sequence (Atzilut-Briah-Yetzirah-Asiyah) arises a new set of relationships that adds itself on to those of the preceding worlds.
venicebard said:All four are intimately related.
venicebard said:The Sefirot in the first world -- where they are generated -- are set forth with great clarity in the book Bahir, published in Provence at the very time Qabbalah sprang up there (12th-century Provence-Languedoc).
venicebard said:From this it can be deduced that the Sefirot in the first or Atzilut world are the first ten 'spokes' of the wheel of 13 middot or divine qualities, as opposed to the oft-pictured ten equidistant 'spokes' pictured in some illustrations.
venicebard said:Hence the Bahir calls 4 Lovingkindness (Chesed), as it is straight out -- towards other -- and 5 the great fire because it is the veering away from, the destruction or withdrawal of, said kindness. And 6 is called the divine throne because it is the approach to straight down, 7 or straight down itself being the 'Holy Palace' in which said throne is located. And so on.
venicebard said:[The relations between worlds are clear but somewhat intricate, so I won't burden you with them unless/until you ask.]
venicebard said:I hope that the above explanation of the Bahir as relates to Atzilut and the elements as they relate to Asiyah may at least help make clear that to which I was referring.
Slowly, over a 3-and-a-half-decade period (I'm slow because I'm methodical and don't take other people's word for the most fundamental things).Gazel said:That sounds intriguing - how did you do that?
Quickly, the way to comprehend them is to see the four worlds as four interdependent wheels (as described vaguely in Ezekiel 1).Yes, I think they [the four] are [interrelated]. But nevertheless quite difficult to comprehend ;o)
Each elementary layer is limited by the square of its number: elements are in order (in nature) fire-air-water-earth, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 of Maria the Jewess's alchemical aphorism concerning the rebirth of unity in the quaternary.But when it comes to Asiyah and the dynamic deriving from the elements, I think I'll have to reread your post one or two or more times to grasp it.
You are correct; and the Troubadour culture amongst the gentry as well!Okay, interesting. Isn't it also the time and place for the Cathar "culture", being at it highest, or am I fuzziing things now?
Based on such things as Lovingkindness being 4th, the 4th sign or spoke being cancer the breasts, pointing straight ahead (towards other).How can this be deduced - I think I'm missing a point here?
No, 12: the 13th middot is the return to the first spoke having completed the (universal) round.Should I understand it like this, that there 13 not 10 spokes of this wheel?