Persecuted at work!

Sophie

catlin said:
Yes, that is exactly what I told the HR department in 2004! Now rumours go on work that I am an evil witch practicing black magick, digging out corpses at night and that it is unwise to leave a butter knife and me in the same room, LOL.
The world is full of fools. Just tell them to switch to margerine ;).

Seriously, though - there is an awful lot of ignorance out there, even among well-meaning and intelligent people. I see it as part of my lot to spend time explaining esoteric stuff. I remember my mother's reaction when she found out I was studying some alchemical plates: "OMG, my daughter's a witch". She found it half-funny and half-strange (as though I were a bit cuckoo). I took that as a cue for a conversation on esoterica in general and witchcraft in particular. I knew enough to be able to say - "I am not one, but I respect real witches who use their powers responsibly. Theirs is a real and practical art, and we shouldn't reject it like we'd all been conditioned by the Inquisition."

I've had that conversation with many people, and usually been agreeably surprised by their reaction, once they get some perspective on the subject. It's a running conversation I am having with my new man. He's a doctor, a rationalist and realist, by his own assessment, but also an open-minded man and an African. Anybody who knows Africa knows that topics like witchcraft and spirits and other such non-rational worldviews have to be introduced carefully! But we've had several discussions on esoteric subjects, and I know he is making efforts to gain a different perspective on them. He is also very curious about tarot ;)

All except for religious nuts of course (not necessarily Christian, but often). But then they think Darwin is evil, so...
 

catlin

That is just why I am still doing free public lectures on witchcraft, Alchemy, Vampires, etc. in the hope to get a bit sense into ppl.

At least I could convince some Germans that not all witches are old and have warts on their nose, LOL.
 

westsidegirlygirl


tarotbear said:
I think you should apologise to your supervisor for the headache he got.

And leave your cards home.

With all respect for your disclaimer that you hadn't read the whole thread, I already did this.

tarotbear said:
I read for my casino co-workers many times - but NEVER at the casino - I
would never bring my deck into the casino... it's bad form to pull out your cards the way you did -
makes them sort of a parlour trick and disses or demeans them - have you no respect for your
cards?

I wouldn't read in a casino either, I agree that that isn't the right atmosphere. However, I see this
differently than you do. If we all keep our cards in a locked crystal cabinet and only take them out
when the moon in the correct phase, then something wonderful is lost. Many people at my work
had never seen tarot cards before, and were delighted for the chance opportunity to have a
reading, look at them, or just ask me questions about it and talk with me.


tarotbear said:
I think you made a big mistake - a gross overestimation of your action. You
should have put up a notice that you would do readings somewhere off-site.


My mistake was that I didn't clear it with my boss first, but that probably wouldn't have changed
the outcome, he wouldn't have had a problem. As for reading off site, that would have been much
worse. I would rather be out in the open than have everyone imagine wild fantasies about what
evil black rituals I am performing. Besides, that would only give more power to the "priggish
little toads" as someone said, that there is something about tarot that is unacceptable.

tarotbear said:
Yes, the 'high mucky-mucks' may have their heads far up their butts as far as
we all are concerned ~ but they are in charge, not you.

Agreed! But they should act that way. They know that they are crossing a line by inventing a rule
that applies only to me, based on their own personal biases. That's why they won't cross it, and
chose to bully my boss instead. I have no respect for that. I have no problem following the same
rules as everyone else. But these rules should be public, out in the open, not secret little rules that
are made up as we go along. I never got a direct message, I got a 'hush hush" message. That's
what was so insidious about this whole situation. It *does* matter how situations like this are
handled, it matters a lot. If there was a complaint about me for some other reason, to do with
religion, or me dressing inappropriately, or whatever, it would have been handled directly and
with respect. Because this was about Tarot, this was handled neither directly, nor with respect. Are they in charge? Yes. Does
it condone the way they have gone about addressing the issue? No, absolutely not. Am I going to
pursue this? No- but not because they are in the right, they aren't.

tarotbear said:
Secondly - anything unusual in a workplace - regardless of which Amendent
to the Constitution you want to pull up and shout about - is under the scrutiny and AUTHORITY
of the governing body

The Constitution IS the higher authority, and the governing body is subject to it in any case, but
who’s shouting? The danger here, and the argument for pursuing the issue, is the slippery slope.
If we don’t insist on fairness and open dealing, then fairness and open dealing cease to be an
expectation, as it seems to have ceased in your case. No matter, we’re all adults here (unlike at
my job lol), and I think the message coming back from most people was that I clearly took a
misstep, by virtue of the outcome, but I am both in the right, and right not to choose this
particular battle.

Except for the problem I caused, reading at work was a positive thing. I work at a design school,
and the teachers there are always having shows, and displaying their art on campus. I teach
English, so until now I hadn't had a chance to share something personal. I also know alot more
about where everyone stands, and that is never a bad thing.
 

westsidegirlygirl

Fen Windglimmer said:
If you do feel it is worth making a stand, then announce that you will be holding a Gnostic Mass in fancy dress, and that the best dressed Pan or Crowley, will receive a free poster size copy of the Thoth Devil.

Fen


I love it! Not this time, but I will keep this one in mind for the right opportunity!
 

Merenwen

I do not have the confidence yet to read for others, but I'm doing a College Course in Tarot at the moment. A lot of the admin staff there want to come to one of our lessons and have their cards red!

And 3 people at work have asked me to read their cards. But I will remember this thread and go carefully when I'm ready to read for them. Mind you, one of the people that wants a reading is my boss's boss! And not many people will argue with a Director. I will take your story to hart westsidegirlygirl and be very carefull about Tarot at work. Thank you for sharing this painfull experience with us.
 

Ross G Caldwell

I think you need to know who made the original complaint. From reading the whole thread, it seems like there might be *personal* jealousy going on (I mean another female). That's my hunch.

As you say, you considered it fun, entertainment, relaxation. You never made a religious or big deal of it. In the USA, I believe all professional diviners disclaim with "For entertainment purposes only". This is to protect them from the potential of litigation arising from bad advice.

I know you read for free, and also that tarot readings should be considered "entertainment". Therefore, what you did was the legal eqivalent of playing rummy in the staff room, without betting. It was a pastime.

I think most people are aware of this, in some kind of way, so it appears to me like some person is jealous of you personally for "showing off" in this way. Maybe somebody likes you, but is afraid to say so; maybe somebody feels you are a rival.

Even if your contract expires without renewal because of these problems, I think you'd never rest without getting to the bottom of who caused it and why.
 

westsidegirlygirl

Ross G Caldwell said:
Even if your contract expires without renewal because of these problems, I think you'd never rest without getting to the bottom of who caused it and why.

Dan (my boss) told me that it was Mark (his boss), and Mark's boss. My feeling is that if it was a complaint, he would have told me that someone who wants to be anonymous felt uncomfortable and could I please stop. I don't think he would have put his boss's name out there as a cover (yikes!). I'm going to go ahead and assume, though, that some people, statistically, would react negatively and perhaps even complain to Mark, since they wouldn't automatically know that I answer to Dan if they are in a different department.

I have a female friend who freaks people out on a regular basis because people mistake her for a man. She is an out lesbian, which also freaks some people out. She has a good life because she knows where she stands with everyone, and doesn't have to waste any time as she surrounds herself with people who respect her for who she is (the best kind of people, IMO!) She has a little advantage in that she doesn't have to worry about friends and acquaintences turning on her if they "find out" something that meets with their disapproval. I feel satisfied that I have thrown up a flag, and if anyone has a problem or complaint, good. They are welcome to steer clear! I'm going to continue to do my job well and be an asset to my organization.
 

Ross G Caldwell

westsidegirlygirl said:
Dan (my boss) told me that it was Mark (his boss), and Mark's boss. My feeling is that if it was a complaint, he would have told me that someone who wants to be anonymous felt uncomfortable and could I please stop. I don't think he would have put his boss's name out there as a cover (yikes!). I'm going to go ahead and assume, though, that some people, statistically, would react negatively and perhaps even complain to Mark, since they wouldn't automatically know that I answer to Dan if they are in a different department.

I think you're right that - somebody - complained to Mark. Dan's explanations are normal manager/supervisor behavior - "Just following orders". That way, he can say it's out of his hands, and doesn't have to offer detailed explanations.

But if you had violated any actual policy, he would have told you. That fact that he had no ready-made explanation means that he is talking "off the record" about some unwritten rules, or things that can't be mentioned. I would guess he knows your situation, and he knows the complainer's situation, he doesn't want to make it personal, and he is covering his own behind.

I.e. I think it's personal, because if were impersonal (a rule or policy) there would be no harm in explaining what you did wrong.
 

tarotbear

valeria said:
.. there may be repercussions to the exercise of constitutional rights. I could use freedom of speech to write what I want, but that doesn't protect me from being fired for saying it.

My point exactly! You have freedom of speech, so you are free to use the "F" word, the "N" word, the "C" word at any time you want, even shout them at the top of your lungs with a bullhorn if you wish ... but not in a children's care center. You have have a 'right' to use them, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to you at any given moment of the day - my right is that you keep your filthy mouth to yourself. {'You' is a collective noun.}

The college has every right to determine what can and cannot be done on it's property - no matter what the Constitution says, folks. The Constitution cannot force your store to be open on a religious holiday you celebrate by closing your store. In Massachusetts you cannot open your business on Sunday before 12 noon- a Massachusetts State Law - the US Constitution cannot change that.

Some of you non-Americans have a strange idea what 'Freedom' really means in the USA ~ it's not what you think it is. Freedom is not free, nor does it exist without rules and laws (some quite stupid - we all agree) to maintain it. If there were no rules or laws there would be no freedom at all.

You are right is guessing that you could find yourself without employment come the next session - I would not make a stink about it at this time. Doing so will probably accelerate your un-tenured, non-benefitted departure. I actually feel sorry for you, believe it or not, because what happened is grossly unfair and downright silly, and should not be happening in the 21st century! However, you made an incorrect assumption about the 'powers that be' and I hope you will not repeat it in the future.
 

zazen

Tarot bear,

Just for the record. I also think you are totally wrong and are grinding your own axe on westsside's thread ... and going for the nazi 'thin edge of the wedge argument' Shit, I was taught not to use that in primary school!


zazen