So you'd like to know the history of tarot

Teheuti

Amazon.com has an info section called "So you'd like to . . ."
Under "Know the History of Tarot" is a version that seems to be a mishmash
of Starbird's material, Paul Foster Case, and ???

This is what might happen if wikipedia, for instance, was unmonitored:

It begins:
"The historical version of the Tarot begins in the 1100's with the
Knights of Templar." It seems the 'Knights of Templar' (whoever they
were) were Cathars who believed Mary Magdalene married Jesus, and that
Jesus "was a powerful, mystical, sexual human being." Later, Magdalene
and her daughter "created two churches in France called the Churches
of the Black Madonna."

Four paragraphs in and we haven't gotten to the tarot yet.

The Templars found a scroll that survived the burning of the library
of Alexandria that told of "angels in charge of the transition points
along our path in life (these became the Trumps/or the Major Arcana)."
They made them into cards known as "the Anceint Egyptian Book of Angels."

The Templars were destroyed by the Pope because they believed Christ
was sexual and married. The Cathars, believing they were the true
blood of Christ, decided to marry into all the noble families.

"The cards began to represent the torture and death of the Knights of
Templar as well as an attempt of the Church to kill the ideas of the
Cathars." The Pope then banned the Tarot as 'demonic.'

The gypsies knew all about this, but some used the cards for
manipulative fortune-telling - "giving the Tarot another negative
connotation."

"A Dominican monk, Brother Johannes . . . kept track of where the game
was appearing so discipline could be handed out to the offenders." (?)

"The Major Arcana remains a mystery as to where it originated."

Don't believe me - read it for yourself:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/K2CVMP4S58F1

This is a good (though extreme) example of what happens when
'intuition' has completely free rein to pose as historical fact.

Is there something we can do about this. I haven't found a place yet on amazon where this article can be protested - but perhaps we could create a "Know the Real History of Tarot" guide?
 

Ross G Caldwell

Teheuti said:
Amazon.com has an info section called "So you'd like to . . ."
Under "Know the History of Tarot" is a version that seems to be a mishmash
of Starbird's material, Paul Foster Case, and ???

This is what might happen if wikipedia, for instance, was unmonitored:

It begins:
"The historical version of the Tarot begins in the 1100's with the
Knights of Templar." It seems the 'Knights of Templar' (whoever they
were) were Cathars who believed Mary Magdalene married Jesus, and that
Jesus "was a powerful, mystical, sexual human being." Later, Magdalene
and her daughter "created two churches in France called the Churches
of the Black Madonna."

Four paragraphs in and we haven't gotten to the tarot yet.

The Templars found a scroll that survived the burning of the library
of Alexandria that told of "angels in charge of the transition points
along our path in life (these became the Trumps/or the Major Arcana)."
They made them into cards known as "the Anceint Egyptian Book of Angels."

The Templars were destroyed by the Pope because they believed Christ
was sexual and married. The Cathars, believing they were the true
blood of Christ, decided to marry into all the noble families.

"The cards began to represent the torture and death of the Knights of
Templar as well as an attempt of the Church to kill the ideas of the
Cathars." The Pope then banned the Tarot as 'demonic.'

The gypsies knew all about this, but some used the cards for
manipulative fortune-telling - "giving the Tarot another negative
connotation."

"A Dominican monk, Brother Johannes . . . kept track of where the game
was appearing so discipline could be handed out to the offenders." (?)

"The Major Arcana remains a mystery as to where it originated."

Don't believe me - read it for yourself:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/K2CVMP4S58F1

This is a good (though extreme) example of what happens when
'intuition' has completely free rein to pose as historical fact.

Is there something we can do about this. I haven't found a place yet on amazon where this article can be protested - but perhaps we could create a "Know the Real History of Tarot" guide?


I'm looking for the "protest" section too Mary. There has to be some way to correct... I mean TRASH this hopeless excuse for the outline of a novel.

But it could be that some people here would really like to discuss the merits of these ideas...

Ross
 

kwaw

There is a 'report this' link in the stats box on the right, under the 'did you find this guide helpful' yes no buttons - haven't followed the link yet...
 

kwaw

kwaw said:
There is a 'report this' link in the stats box on the right, under the 'did you find this guide helpful' yes no buttons - haven't followed the link yet...

it takes you to a 'report as inappropriate' button the response to which is a thank you for your vote - there is no where to input why you consider it inappropriate....
 

Feretian

Outrageous.

If you have an amazon account, choose the "help" option. There is a "contact" button (it's on the lower right, bright yellow).

I wrote them about another (unrelated but similar) outrage a few weeks ago. They were prompt in answering, and apologized for the "oversight", and corrected the situation.

Individual communications and/or a "community" effort by Tarot practitioners may help rectify this glaring mistake.

So glad you found this!
 

magpie9

Good God! And this woman writes books about Tarot and related subjects? Horrifying!
 

prudence

At first, just reading what Teheuty had posted in this thread, I thought this was surely the work of someone who was trying to get a rise from those with a serious interest in factual tarot history....but when I looked at the link and saw the Amazon page.....well, I am guessing that she is being earnest rather than tongue in cheek with her narrative.

So, what is this Amazon area all about? Can one just make a page here on any subject and say basically anything about that subject? I have used Amazon before but have not seen one of these.
 

kwaw

prudence said:
So, what is this Amazon area all about? Can one just make a page here on any subject and say basically anything about that subject? I have used Amazon before but have not seen one of these.


It is the first time I have seen this section of Amazon too, but this particular guide dates from July 30, 2005 so the area has been going quite a while; this particular author has 31 'guides'...
 

Feretian

I can't find how to get to the page without your link, Mary. Can you tell me?
 

Teheuti

Feretian said:
I can't find how to get to the page without your link, Mary. Can you tell me?

I came across it when doing a google search on Cathars + Magdalene. It was on the first page of results!

There's a good summary of Cathar history, including the very different neo-Catharism at
http://www.philipcoppens.com/catharism.html

I hope everyone goes to the "Know the History of Tarot" article at
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/K2CVMP4S58F1
and clicks on the right on the link that says (report this) - under "Guide Stats".