GT Question

Barleywine

celticnoodle said:
I'm sorry. and, I'm about to go over your other post as soon as I answer this one for you and go back and look at how I wrote out my spread to correct that too.

Coffin is in House of House. So, I would take this as saying an ending to bad health for his wife. I am hoping in this case, the House of House is representing her body/frame and I'm HOPING the Coffin is suggesting an ending to her health issues. A bit of a side note on the actual focus of this reading---in the case of his wife, the coffin is surrounded by mostly good cards. She has always had serious health issues all of her life, but she is very dedicated to living a healthy life. She was a vegan years ago and is thinking of going vegan again, as she felt her best at that time.

She is also getting in touch with a special nutritionist who works with a doctor that is very much based on natural ways to heal your gut. A friend of mine goes to them in California and this friend has seen super results with her auto-immune disorder, mostly through diet.

Not to spend too much time on these cards re: that issue--but I wondered if the rider is representing that CA doctor and nutritionist. Rider card is in the house of Tree--so I felt it was news about her health. With rider next to the cross-which is in House of Clouds, I'm thinking its indicating the difficulties with her diagnosis. They do have a diagnosis and the specialists she is seeing has put her on meds for it, but she is having serious issues w/the medications--and the doctors don't seem too know what to do for that and shrug. Plus, it took her YEARS to be diagnosed with the disease she has--though she specifically asked to be tested for this disease for years. The Letter card #27/Letter is in the House of Snake, which also does concern me, making me think she will get some news regarding her intestinal area (which is where the majority of her health issues lie), and Card 32/Moon in the House of Coffin COULD indicate her health becoming more grave/serious--and be pointing to yet more guessing on the parts of the medical professionals she has been seeing.

I realize I shouldn't read so much on the wife in this reading--and should actually do a reading for her, but quite honestly, I wasn't asked to do that reading - yet anyway, and I'm a little fearful to do one, reading the above.

Now, to go back to the previous post by Barleywine, where he wrote out so much.

Again, thank you to all who take the time to even read through my posts here and especially to all of you who are offering advice and help.

I see you switched a couple of transposed numbers. The significance of the Tree (Health) to her situation doen't change much, but the Coffin (Endings) coming after can certainly be read as her health problems coming to an end. I like that better. Swapping the Storks and the Heart in the last line simply makes me think he will be invited (Bouquet) to make a move up (Storks) and it will be greatly appreciated (Heart) when he agrees to go (Ship). Simple, really.

celticnoodle

Barleywine said:
Setting aside the Coffin question, I'm happy to see the Ship at the "end of the line." All of the cards in the last line - some call them "Fate" or "Destiny" cards - are all agreeable. Bouquet, an invitation; Heart, affection (or maybe appreciation might fit better here); Storks, moving up/relocation; and Ship, travel/commerce. The fact that it is adjacent to the Man and within his control would seem to make for "smooth sailing" on the "career move" front.

Yes, I was especially happy to see bouquet in the house of Key. To me, that just screams great things to come.

Card #17/Stork in the House of Fish also tells me a good thing that will be financially good is about to come. Card #24/Heart in the House of Anchor gives me hope that he will be happier with where he is put. And, then Card #03/Ship in the Last House of Cross, is one that concerns me a great deal. I feel it is an omen of moving into things that will be somewhat disruptive and difficult. I'm wondering if it is due to the wife's health issues or children's schooling or what. I'm not quite sure how to read this to give them an idea of what to be on the lookout for.

I did take a look to see where the cross card was in hopes it could shed some light on the situation of this ship in the house of cross. (not sure if that is what one should do--but it seemed like a good idea to me). The cross card, #36 is in the House of clouds, which to me speaks of grave issues that could easily go away. Moving is never easy, we all know this. But it does have me worried. However, the cards around the cross are pretty good too--#1/Rider, #27/Letter, #12/Birds, #25/Ring, and #10/Scythe--which is the only bad card touching its corner.

I also took a look at the House of Ship and its occupied by the Tree which I feel is connected to the Wife, and which is actually touching the woman card. This is why/how I made that big leap to this being a huge concern for her husband.

What do you think about my thoughts above?

Barleywine

celticnoodle said:
Yes, I was especially happy to see bouquet in the house of Key. To me, that just screams great things to come. Card #17/Stork in the House of Fish also tells me a good thing that will be financially good is about to come. Card #24/Heart in the House of Anchor gives me hope that he will be happier with where he is put. And, then Card #03/Ship in the Last House of Cross, is one that concerns me a great deal. I feel it is an omen of moving into things that will be somewhat disruptive and difficult. I'm wondering if it is due to the wife's health issues or children's schooling or what. I'm not quite sure how to read this to give them an idea of what to be on the lookout for.

I did take a look to see where the cross card was in hopes it could shed some light on the situation of this ship in the house of cross. (not sure if that is what one should do--but it seemed like a good idea to me). The cross card, #36 is in the House of clouds, which to me speaks of grave issues that could easily go away. Moving is never easy, we all know this. But it does have me worried. However, the cards around the cross are pretty good too--#1/Rider, #27/Letter, #12/Birds, #25/Ring, and #10/Scythe--which is the only bad card touching its corner.

I also took a look at the House of Ship and its occupied by the Tree which I feel is connected to the Wife, and which is actually touching the woman card. This is why/how I made that big leap to this being a huge concern for her husband.

What do you think about my thoughts above?

I didn't see too much concern with the Clouds since it's quite far from the Man, to the left and in the lower-left (weaker) quadrant; in the Gilded Reverie deck the "bright" side is facing all of the various Significators, so "passing away" is a good assumption. I did think it had some relevance to the Fox + Anchor combination as noted. I addressed the relocated Tree above, but might add that her health issues would demand even more of her attention - it's hanging right over her head now - and she might have to travel quite a ways for treatment. The Ship at the bottom has no bad cards near it, so I don't think it's possible interpretation as "losses" is especially operative here, although a burden is probably safe to assume from its house placement (although that is very near the Man and thus not likely to last long).

celticnoodle

zhadee said:
Assumed that Cross is in 3, the 4x9 looks like this:

well, unfortunately the Cross isn't in House 3, but in house 6. Tree is in the 3rd House.

It's been a while since I last did this. I did not take a look at the progress of this thread so far.

Dog - Book - Tower - Ship in the corners. This spread is about studies that need to be taken further. It is also about a group of people, which looks like a 'secret society' your man is interested in joining with.

There are new things he'd have to learn. In fact, he would have to go off to a training school for a week or so for this position that is done by the company officials. So that is correct. Its not really a 'secret' society but it is one that shows up to look at the day to day way the sites are running and being particularly aware of any safety issues on the job site.

Dog - Rods - Cross: Lenghty discussions are coming to an end. Could be an advice, to drop the matter because the point is already made clear. Now he needs to wait for the results (Clouds in 18, Rider in 5, Ship in 36).

yes, this makes sense too with something ongoing at work. Clouds is in House 18, Rider is in House 5 and Ship is in House 36.

Cross in 3, Ship in 36:

He does not know what to believe in, and which way to go from here.

okay, well Cross in House 6, not 3 now. My mistake. sorry for that!

Man is in the 4th row, he feels not much in charge. Things happen to him. Lily - Mountain - Stars over his head: he feels blocked in his path (Mountain in 22), and his idea of virtue and dignity is not valued or appreciated (Lily in 21)so he might think about give up on them (Stars in 23), because they now appear to be childish and naive (Child in 30).
Stars in 23, Mice in 16 - this man is troubled, losing his faith and torn inside. [/quote]

that snake of a person who lied to the 3rd shift, placing blame solely on my Family Member has hurt my F.M. as he didn't make the person who is lying do what he is saying. In fact,he told this snake NOT to something--and the snake went ahead and did it anyway--which ended up causing trouble at work and putting the whole 3rd shift in deep doo-doo. Fortunately for my FM, he has written proof of what he did tell this snake to do--but its not paperwork that is allowed to be seen by the general work force...so its going around in a circle sort of and my FM does look bad in the eyes of the 3rd shift employees. They should KNOW better--as my FM has saved their butts a few times before--but people have a tendency to forget what happened in the past and to follow the leader. Their 'leader' for 3rd shift is the snake. My FM is first shift. so he doesn't actually 'see' the 3rd shift employees. Its complicated. I hate to try and go on and on explaining, but I hope this was clear enough.

This is a reading about work. Child - Man - Path: is he a small man by size, or is he feeling that way about himself? Tower in 27 - he protects himself, he's build some walls around him. Path in 32, Moon in 8: he will find his way by looking into his emotions, but his emotions are dark. Maybe he feels sad and depressed, and there is not much in his worklife he is pleased about. He might also feel the urge to keep some things secret, and people would probably like to learn more about him. In order to be popular, he is compelled to put up a good show (Man in 31, Sun in 26) to conceal his 'real' personality which is of course vital to survive in that company: Tower in 27, Fox in 19, Clouds in 18. Unpleasant fellows to deal with.

well I feel he is a big man--but anyone over 5'3" to me is TALL. But, he is actually short for a guy.

He loves it though when I describe him as "A big guy".

Most of the men he works with do tower over him- height wise. But, he is also a large guy in ways--he could stand to lose a good 30+ pounds.

He is sad with how the 3rd shift now sees him. He is trying to make all employees happy. He feels like he did a lot as he was saving many employees from being layed off--but again that is stuff that he can't just go and tell the guys, "hey btw, I FOUGHT AND WON FOR YOU GUYS TO KEEP YOUR JOB!" That just isn't done. These are ordinary blue collar workers who don't understand what the managers do behind the scenes. You know? And, yes, you hit the nail on the head here that he feels he has to keep secrets (like the fighting to keep the employees employed) from them, which on one side he doesn't like to do, but on the other side he has to do so-as that is "the rule" of his leadership role too.

So, you've asked about their private relationship. The way he sees her: Woman in 11, Rods above her. He sees her as quite outspoken, she freely speaks her mind. He values her words. She is home for him (House in 28), Lily between them both. So this is a stable, precious relationship.

I do see this in them, yes. He might think she is outspoken, but I don't feel like she is--however, I'm not there 24/07 and we don't live close. So perhaps she really is that way w/o us being around and seeing it.

Woman - Sun: she is a strong, radiating personality. Fishes at her feet: she hides her sorrow, avoids soulsearching. Woman - Garden: outgoing, social skills. While he seems to feel not well in company: Mice - Garden - Clouds. He just hates being with people, so he tries to hide behind her or his status.

yes, I see her as a strong and radiating personality. she does hide her sorrows and unfortuantely that isn't always so good. She is somewhat outgoing but she doesn't get a lot of chances to be that way with 2 kids and her health issues which continue to get in their way. He is more of a couch potato/indoor kind of guy and she wants to be with her man--so she doesn't get out as much as she use to or would probably like to.

I am a bit worried about Snake in 24, Stars and Bears next to her. Is that his mother? He seems to be interested to please her, and he wants her to be proud of him (Bouquet under Snake), like he needs to make up for something that went wrong

(Coffin, Scythe above Snake).

The snake, stars and Bears is next to the Man card. He doesn't have a relationship with his mother--as she is.....well....difficult. They haven't had much of a relationship in YEARS. and she is fairly much out of his life. He is closer to his step mom, whom they have a good relationship to. She did help to raise him, but they actually became closer after he married. I think this FM is more apt to want to please his wife which he does, and to make HER proud of him, which she is. I don't really see him worried about pleasing his step mother and I know he could care less about his bio mom. But, I will look at those cards a bit more myself and try to see what I think with your ideas.

Thank you!!!

celticnoodle

Barleywine said:
Another interesting side-light: The Moon - honors, fame, recognition - is at the far upper right corner, which some consider the strongest position in the spread (although it is the house of the Coffin, so the wag in me is inspired to call it "a resoundingly glowing eulogy" ). Couple that with the Ship at the bottom right corner and we might fashion a "bottom line" interpretation that says "He will command respect, and he will go far."

ah! I didn't know that about the far upper right hand corner! So, I learned something new here again!

Thank you, Barleywine! :thumbsup:

So, you think its only that "he will command respect and he will go far"? I can see that in him. He is so the King of Swords upright to me. But, different set of cards. Just to give you an idea into his personality. :laugh:

Barleywine said:
I see you switched a couple of transposed numbers. The significance of the Tree (Health) to her situation doen't change much, but the Coffin (Endings) coming after can certainly be read as her health problems coming to an end. I like that better. Swapping the Storks and the Heart in the last line simply makes me think he will be invited (Bouquet) to make a move up (Storks) and it will be greatly appreciated (Heart) when he agrees to go (Ship). Simple, really.

yes, I had written them down incorrectly. and thank you for that relief! I am happy to see you seeing her health problems coming to an end. I like that better too!!! :thumbsup:

Yeah, I think he will be invited to move up into that position. or perhaps a different position even, who knows? I know he is hoping that the 'promised' position will come through--as am I. It puts them closer to us--so we'll see each other more! :thumbsup:

and, it is a great job for him, from the way he speaks of it. That is ALWAYS a good thing. I hope it is simple--but moving rarely is. However, you never know.

Barleywine said:
I didn't see too much concern with the Clouds since it's quite far from the Man, to the left and in the lower-left (weaker) quadrant; in the Gilded Reverie deck the "bright" side is facing all of the various Significators, so "passing away" is a good assumption. I did think it had some relevance to the Fox + Anchor combination as noted. I addressed the relocated Tree above, but might add that her health issues would demand even more of her attention - it's hanging right over her head now - and she might have to travel quite a ways for treatment. The Ship at the bottom has no bad cards near it, so I don't think it's possible interpretation as "losses" is especially operative here, although a burden is probably safe to assume from its house placement (although that is very near the Man and thus not likely to last long).

yes, I do agree with you about the clouds and I also agree with you on her health issues. She always was right on top of things, but a few years ago, began to slip back into bad health choices re: her diet. Mainly eating meat again. I have told her that I think she just needs to stick to being vegan - though she was more vegetarian as she did eat eggs. She looked better, felt better and was definitely healthier. Since going back to eating meat again, even though she doesn't eat a lot of it--her health progress stopped and she is again feeling the brunt of this bad decision. She knows it. But, its hard. She always LOVED meat. And, cooking for the rest of her family, who are NOT vegetarians, makes it difficult too. And, of course, her one child is very picky and won't even eat many vegetables. :laugh:

you know that type of kid,
Parent: "here have a vegetable" -
Kid: :bugeyed:

"A VEGETABLE????! AAAAAAAARRRRRGHHHH!!!!" *screaming and running away from such an idea!* :laugh:

celticnoodle

okay, I really need to get something done here at the house and still finish packing my suitcase!

I will look at this again much later--but have to show that I did do some housework (and believe me I have a lot here to do!) and that I also finish packing. Thank you so much to everyone here who have taken the time to help me with this. Ya'll are fantastic in my book! :thumbsup:

Barleywine

celticnoodle said:
ah! I didn't know that about the far upper right hand corner! So, I learned something new here again! Thank you, Barleywine!

So, you think its only that "he will command respect and he will go far"? I can see that in him. He is so the King of Swords upright to me. But, different set of cards. Just to give you an idea into his personality.

Here is a quote from Andy Boroveshengra's Lenormand: Thirty-six Cards. Andy likely hews more closely to traditional methods and meanings than many other popular modern writers, which sits very well with me.

"The cards to the Significator's left are weakened (for good or bad) and the cards to the Significator's right are intensified (again, for good or bad). Cards that fall above the querent's card are amplified, and cards below are weakened. Again, this is for good or bad.

A card in the upper right is more influential than a card in the lower right. If the Clouds were in the lower left it would thus be less problematic than if it were in the lower right,"

So it stands to reason, under this model, that a card as far to the right and as far above the Significator as possible would be in its most potent location (for good or ill, according to its nature), depending, of course on how distant it is from the Significator. Suppose a highly negative card is at its worst when close to the Significator, somewhat better when far away. If it's far away and at the lower left, it would be further weakened in its potency; if it's far away but to the upper right of the Significator, it could be reinvigorated and strengthened in its negative impact.

The two ideas I threw out as a synthesis of the Moon and the Ship in this spread weren't intended to summaraize the whole reading, just the way those two might interact together here.

celticnoodle

Barleywine said:
Here is a quote from Andy Boroveshengra's Lenormand: Thirty-six Cards. Andy likely hews more closely to traditional methods and meanings than many other popular modern writers, which sits very well with me.

"The cards to the Significator's left are weakened (for good or bad) and the cards to the Significator's right are intensified (again, for good or bad). Cards that fall above the querent's card are amplified, and cards below are weakened. Again, this is for good or bad.

A card in the upper right is more influential than a card in the lower right. If the Clouds were in the lower left it would thus be less problematic than if it were in the lower right,"

So it stands to reason, under this model, that a card as far to the right and as far above the Significator as possible would be in its most potent location (for good or ill, according to its nature), depending, of course on how distant it is from the Significator. Suppose a highly negative card is at its worst when close to the Significator, somewhat better when far away. If it's far away and at the lower left, it would be further weakened in its potency; if it's far away but to the upper right of the Significator, it could be reinvigorated and strengthened in its negative impact.

The two ideas I threw out as a synthesis of the Moon and the Ship in this spread weren't intended to summaraize the whole reading, just the way those two might interact together here.

ah, okay. I'll take all this into consideration too and for future G.T.s

I may also look for Andy Boroveshengra's book "Lenormand: Thirty-six Cards". Thanks.

DownUnderNZer

Because the CLOUDS is flanking the FOX - not yet behind him or the downside of what is happening at work really. It has happened, but is not quite over yet. And I'm thinking what you are asking is more about the now and the future rather than the past.

Also, as it is above the House of DOG, I'd say it has a lot to do with the "other player".

So, more than likely the other man you mentioned.

Adding: The doubts and uncertainty are to do with him and he also experiences them as well. It also extends to the job.

I think it affects more than just your FM.

celticnoodle

DownUnderNZer said:
Because the CLOUDS is flanking the FOX - not yet behind him or the downside of what is happening at work really. Also, as it is above DOG, I'd say it has a lot to do with the "other player".

So, more than likely the other man you mentioned.

I don't really understand this still. Clouds is beside the Fox, yes, but I always have read that if the white clouds are next to the card beside it, there isn't anything bad to worry about. Only if the dark clouds are beside it.

Now, are you considering the cloud card as important since it is in the House of Dog and then indicating the "Dog" is the other man, (the snake)?

Sorry if I am being a dunce here, just trying to understand better. I just really do not get it since the good side of the cloud is touching the Fox. I feel like it is safe to say that the troubles from the clouds are pretty much behind him (My F.M.)

Thank you again, DownUnderNZer.