Some help with Morin (# 2) ?

RohanMenon

Book 21

chapter 4

"And so, we may conclude that a planet in a particular house, and at
the same time ruler of another, does not always effect a combination of
the meanings of both houses, but sometimes acts by virtue of its actual
location, sometimes by virtue of one or other of the house rulerships if it
rules over more than one sign and house; for example, the direction of
the Ascendant to Mars in the first, but ruler of the twelfth, would refer to
an illness,..."

This seems to say that a planet can act via its location house, or its ruled house, *or* a combination.

chapter 5

"After what was stated in the preceding chapter it is clear that a
planet ruling one house but placed in some other foretells at the very
least a combination of the meanings of each house at some future time.
We will discuss here how such a combination may take place and how to
make an evaluation that will include the many things which have to be
taken into consideration."

this paragraph seems to say that a planet *will* (at least in the future if not immediately) produce a combined (located house + ruled house) effect. This seems to contradict the chapter 4 'either/or' reading.

So in the example from the 4th chapter paragraph, Mars will, at some point, manifest combined 1st House (location) and 12th house (ruled) effects.

Am I reading this right?
 

Minderwiz

Am I reading this right?

Yes you are. Morin's quote from chapter 4 is not anexclusive or. He makes that clear in the very first sentence, when he says

And so, we may conclude that a planet in a particular house, and at
the same time ruler of another, does not always effect a combination of
the meanings of both houses


...does not always... implies that it can effect a combination of meanings, but this does not have to happen every time.

Unlike modern Astrology a planet is not always active in the tradition. It is usually activated by being Lord of the year (or other period) or in a house/sign that has been activated through time lord, or primary direction or solar/lunar return or other significant event. Transits are not enough in themselves to secure that a planet is activated.

Once a planet is activated it does not necessarily behave in exactly the same way each time. Sometimes it will show through the house it occupies, sometimes through a house it rules or sometimes with a combination of these.

Thus for example, the ruler of the third in the eighth, might signify the death of a sibling. But each time that planet is activated will not mean that one of the native's siblings will die. It might happen once in the native's life. However that event will have a significant effect on the native and the rest of their lives. Such an event though has a combination of the meanings of both houses.

If that planet were, say Saturn, who ruled the third through Capricorn. Other periods when Saturn is active, might have more effects through the spouse's income (purely an eighth house issue) or show up through issues related to the fourth house of Aquarius. These issues might have nothing to do with death or with the spouse's income.

Morin believed that the significations of the planet would be more related to the house it occupies, So in this case much of the significations of Saturn would relate to the eighth; rather than the houses it rules, viz the third and fourth.

In this respect Morin is more in line with a modern Astrologer, than a traditional one. Most traditional Astrologers saw the planet's significations coming mainly from the houses it rules, rather than the house it occupies. There is also some argument that short term issues are more likely to be signified through the house it occupies, long term issues more through the house(s) it rules.
 

RohanMenon

Thank You Minderwiz

As always, a very enlightening reply.
I see I have a long way to go!
Cheers,