Ross G Caldwell
Yatima said:
No talk about “essence!” Is there? No “essence” is related to you. Or is there any? So what do you want from me…
Now, in a philosophical note, I added, I stated: “Important is indeed the philosophical basis: Whether one wants a “substance” (sub-stare: standing beneath as unchanging essence or structure)—that is the Aristotelean way (in its reception through Descartes) or “process” (which has “nothing” as its fixed center, but is “empty” and therefore a “living whole”)—as was the way of Plato (via Bergson, Whitehead, Deleuze, Derrida…). I side with the latter.”
Have I related you to “essence” or presupposed that you have this view? It was a philosophical statement.
If you read carefully, you will realize that you have taken up the term first in a follow up in relating it to me, personally! Look again! This was the basis to draw on it further…So, Who has been the one to talk about “essence” in relation to us? I, that I know, was not the one…
You have noted further that you are not interest to get into a philosophical discourse. Fine! So then, don’t do it, but don’t blame me…
This is really quixotic! I have no time for shadow-boxing. I will not proceed on these lines of misunderstanding and misconception.
Yatima
Plenty of talk about essence, and "essenceless essence" too.
It's no use trying to make a Fool out of me Yatima I read clearly - you must take responsibility for your words.
Quote:
"Have I related you to “essence” or presupposed that you have this view?"
Yes, you have -
Quote [post of 7 August] -
"However, although I have realized that you recognize the evolution of the Tarot as part of its "own" history, I have also understood from your words that you want to differentiat a certain stream of manifestation as Tarot and reserve the name and "essence" for it. Something, I would like to avoid...
Yatima"
"YOU want to ... reserve the name and 'essence' for it".
That's me you're referring to [unless I don't understand what the word "you" means], and the "it" is Tarot. In fact I have not wanted to reserve the "essence" of Tarot to or for anything. I never used the word essence, except to borrow it from you.
When you quote yourself above, you removed the "essenceless essence" that you side with - why? The part you snipped was "Plato named this "essenceless essence" "khora". I side with the latter." That is, you side with Plato's "essenceless essence", which is your gloss (since I don't think Plato ever used the term "essenceless essence") on his term "khora."
You related it to yourself *directly* - now you say, I quote "So, Who has been the one to talk about “essence” in relation to us? I, that I know, was not the one…" - Yes, you were the one!
This is precisely why it is impossible to get into a philosophical discussion with you, since you deny you said things that are in fact part of the record.
Historians are down to earth people. Philosophers (not that I'm accusing you of being one) tend to lose track of their words. Better to stick to history