Thank you, Minderwiz. Whenever you have the time.
I'm throwing a chart here which I find interesting, in case you have time to take a look. The chart was cast on February 7, 2015 at 22:52 in Toronto. The question is if I will meet X this year. Some background: X will be around in about 6-7 months. If I meet him, it will be then. This is important as the significators are that many degrees apart. We both work in a field which is indeed a 5th house matter - the significators are there.
I'm Venus. he is Mars. Very appropriate. LOL It's the hour of Mars, also appropriate. Ascendant is fine, Moon is not VOC. Now, on to my winderings. Venus and Mars are both in Pisces and by some older traditions would be definitely conjunct whatsoever. Venus is exalted, Mars is in her exaltation but Mars is also in his own face and term, Venus is in his triplicity, so there is also reception. Venus and Mars are about 6 degrees apart, so they are already in orb (moiety considered). So far, so good.
The fly in the ointment is that the aspect will not be perfected until they move to Aries. If I continue progressing the chart, the Moon will of course aspect Venus, Sun, and Mars in that order thus turning the whole thing to a completely different story but she will need to change signs to Scorpio to do that. (I see she will sextile Jupiter, ruler of the third and trine Sun, co-ruler of the 10th while in Libra and I'm hoping for an interview and a better job, on a different note).
Since the Moon is my co-significator as well, I don't see myself prohibiting a meeting which would be very beneficial for me. The Sun co-rules the 10th, I wonder if the Moon-Sun square (when Moon already in Scorpio) means that I will step on someone's toes if the meeting happens (very probable).
I wonder if I should go that far actually. I try to keep it simple but I'm torn here between the fact that both significators are in the same sign and within orb on one side, and that the perfection itself will happen in another sign. I can see how the meeting could happen on Mars' terms, so to speak, i.e. there will be a meeting but it won't be easy for Venus because when it happens Mars will be in a position to influence the whole thing in a major way (and this would fit the reality where X is a person of power over me in many aspects).
I guess my question is, if you, Minderwiz, have time to take a look, do you think the meeting will happen or not happen at all. I suspect you will say "no" but had to ask anyways.
P.S. OK, this seems to be one of those things that are a bit wobbly - the perfection in next sign. Lilly allows the Moon to perfect if in orb when applying to the planet in the next sign. Same should apply to Venus, IMO.
At the time she applies to Mars in Aries she will be very close, way beyond orb or moiety requirements. In fact, on Mars' entering Aries, Venus will be beyound 29 degrees Pisces already, they will be separated by a degree or less. This comes important as Venus will perfect the conjunction in Aries before Mars aspects either Saturn or Mercury (as mentioned in some texts by Bonatti, for example, where the receiving planet moves on to someone/something else before the applying can catch up wit it). According to U/Omar, if the applying planet catches up with the receiving one without the latter aspecting a third planet, the perfection will happen.
Masha'allah also talks about "being received" or applying from a place of own strength (Venus will be applying from Mars' triplicity sign AND from her exaltation). Once she moves to Aries she will apply to perfect from Mars' domicile. He also gives the "applying to a malefic but who is dignified" (Mars in Aries) and "applying to a malefic and being received) (which is the case re: Mars' triplicity or Mars' domicile).
Overall, it was a good reason to re-read some pieces. This will be interesting to watch and it's not that far in the future to get back to the chart and report if perfection happened.
P.P.S. Found Lilly's piece where he says that if the two planets (significators) are in the same sign and the ruler of the Asc is tha lighter, and (not without reception) applies to the second significator in the latter's own house (Mars in Aries), that should perfect. Of course, his sentence is far more twisted, I'm paraphrasing, it's from An introduction to astrology, rules for the practice of horary astrology.