lunalafey
Moongold [i said:
Astro~Twist Spread~ Tech Thread
Moongold
I think I get it now, although I have not gone about it in quite the same way as you, it seems to be working for me.
What I have not done so far is consider the astrological assignations of the Tarot cards themselves but I'll do that as we go.
Luna, it's definitely proving to be a powerful spread
What I have not done so far is consider the astrological assignations of the Tarot cards themselves but I'll do that as we go.
Luna, it's definitely proving to be a powerful spread
maria42airam
Help! I've read through the other threads and I see a lot of similarities in people's approach but also a lot of differences. I want to understand how much and which things I need to consider at this point.
For example, For house 1:
1st House – Leo – Strength / 10 of Cups / Sun - The Sun
Leo: 10 of Cups (Uranus, Ascendant)
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In addition to the meaning of the 10 of Cups, I need to take into consideration the meaning of House 1, the sign of Leo and it's ruler: the SUN, the influences of having Uranus and my Ascendant in Leo, the meaning of the Strength and The SUN cards. Is this correct?
Do I also take into consideration the sign and planet ruling House 1?
How about the zodiacal attributions of the 10 of cups?
I noticed at least one person was looking at the elemental and numerological attributions. Is this part of it, or something extra for the advanced folks?
And I have absolutely no idea what to make of all those degrees and conjunctions (I think I need a book here!). I see them on my chart but I don't understand them yet.
So how much of this should I tackle this first time? Please be gentle but give it to me straight!
I've read through the other threads and I see a lot of similarities in people's approach but also a lot of differences. I want to understand how much and which things I need to consider at this point.For example, For house 1:
1st House – Leo – Strength / 10 of Cups / Sun - The Sun
Leo: 10 of Cups (Uranus, Ascendant)
----
In addition to the meaning of the 10 of Cups, I need to take into consideration the meaning of House 1, the sign of Leo and it's ruler: the SUN, the influences of having Uranus and my Ascendant in Leo, the meaning of the Strength and The SUN cards. Is this correct?
Do I also take into consideration the sign and planet ruling House 1?
How about the zodiacal attributions of the 10 of cups?
I noticed at least one person was looking at the elemental and numerological attributions. Is this part of it, or something extra for the advanced folks?
And I have absolutely no idea what to make of all those degrees and conjunctions (I think I need a book here!). I see them on my chart but I don't understand them yet.
So how much of this should I tackle this first time? Please be gentle but give it to me straight!
WhiteRaven
Maria...the numerology is because I like playing with numbers...
The orb = degrees stuff is just my own personal sticky note ...something to do...I was bored? LOL....I got right into it and finished pretty fast...so don't pay attention to me...I'm being the black sheep right now...way off in some gawd forsaken, dried up field, totally delusional.....
go by the formula...it's the easiest way...don't pay attention to the house ruler itself...for instance...it's not Aries in house 1 anymore, it's your ASC...I had stuck Aries influence in my first house and Luna tapped me ever so gently on my knuckles and said NO...lol
The orb = degrees stuff is just my own personal sticky note ...something to do...I was bored? LOL....I got right into it and finished pretty fast...so don't pay attention to me...I'm being the black sheep right now...way off in some gawd forsaken, dried up field, totally delusional.....
go by the formula...it's the easiest way...don't pay attention to the house ruler itself...for instance...it's not Aries in house 1 anymore, it's your ASC...I had stuck Aries influence in my first house and Luna tapped me ever so gently on my knuckles and said NO...lol
mooncat2
Maria,
The best advice I can give you is to keep it simple. Use what you understand and work from there.
I am keeping my posts very simple while still taking notes that I may use later.I've studied both numerology and astrology a little so I'm taking these things into account but not posting a lot of it. Instead I am keeping a journal and will add to it as I go along.
Go with what you know - we are going to be working with this for months and you can always add to it. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, as they say, and can lead you astray.
If you are stuck feel free to ask for advice.
Elementally you have conflict here - water/fire. Same as mine Page Cups/Leo.
Forget the aspects - degrees and stuff - you don't need them yet - they are interesting and add depth so if you want help ...just call.
The best advice I can give you is to keep it simple. Use what you understand and work from there.
I am keeping my posts very simple while still taking notes that I may use later.I've studied both numerology and astrology a little so I'm taking these things into account but not posting a lot of it. Instead I am keeping a journal and will add to it as I go along.
Go with what you know - we are going to be working with this for months and you can always add to it. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, as they say, and can lead you astray.
If you are stuck feel free to ask for advice.
Thats correct and it seems a lot but just take one thing at a time.
You've already addressed that question above - Leo / Sun
Mars in Pisces
Elementally you have conflict here - water/fire. Same as mine Page Cups/Leo.
Forget the aspects - degrees and stuff - you don't need them yet - they are interesting and add depth so if you want help ...just call.
Moongold
I am trying to keep it simple as well: taking into account House and Sign and their meanings. Also the role of the planet/s in each sign. I am beginning to understand some new astrological stuff for me. This is about dispositors of energy. The planet that rules the sign actually goversn any planets within that sign and when a planet rules another planet it becomes the dispositor of that planets energy. For example in my chart, Saturn rules te first three houses, including the "planets" in them - Venus and Pisces. However the Sun is dispositor to my Saturn, so Saturn must defer to my Sun in terms of using its energy. I didn't know that before doing this exercise and it changes my perspective a lot.
I am simply looking at the influences arising out of each configuration and what impact /relationship the tarot card might have on this. I can see where there are profound elemental conflicts but I am not speaking to much about those because they have quite personal meanings. My understanding was that we were doing this xercixe simply to get an overall picture.
This means that the annual reading simply picks out themes we may have to face all year. The houses and the signs are stable - they don't change. The movement of planets around the Sun is the change agent. Looking at that month by month will be hard and interesting
Does this make sense to any of you? I did not quite understand what Maria and WhiteRaven had done with that formula thing and I still don't really. I missed the formulat at the beginning.
I am not posting much about what it means to me personally because I think that is personal. Some of you have had a look at what I have done. Does it make sense to you? It does to me but I hope I'm not deluded (7 Cups in the 4th House - there is certainly conflict here.).
I am simply looking at the influences arising out of each configuration and what impact /relationship the tarot card might have on this. I can see where there are profound elemental conflicts but I am not speaking to much about those because they have quite personal meanings. My understanding was that we were doing this xercixe simply to get an overall picture.
This means that the annual reading simply picks out themes we may have to face all year. The houses and the signs are stable - they don't change. The movement of planets around the Sun is the change agent. Looking at that month by month will be hard and interesting
Does this make sense to any of you? I did not quite understand what Maria and WhiteRaven had done with that formula thing and I still don't really. I missed the formulat at the beginning.
I am not posting much about what it means to me personally because I think that is personal. Some of you have had a look at what I have done. Does it make sense to you? It does to me but I hope I'm not deluded (7 Cups in the 4th House - there is certainly conflict here.).
Phoenix Rising
Hi Guys,
Unless everyone knows alot about astrology, the complicated stuff by including our own birth natal chart to this tarot spread can be very mind boggling. Remember the "KISS" Keep it simple stupid. Well that's me Simple.
So as far as I know about this spread are 3 things
1. First house begins in the sign of our rising sign-
Question: What if the client or person we're reading for doesn't know what time they are born?
2.Then it is read month by month.
3.Then we look for aspects in combination with other cards.
Although this is a astrology spread, I think it would be easier to just stick to the spread. But for the advanced astrologers well I'm totally lost when you guys start talking this planet and that house etc, when in conjunction with your birth charts.
As I would like to do this spread for others, but I or they won't all have knowledge of their birth charts..So what do you say guys one step at a time?
Unless everyone knows alot about astrology, the complicated stuff by including our own birth natal chart to this tarot spread can be very mind boggling. Remember the "KISS" Keep it simple stupid. Well that's me Simple.
So as far as I know about this spread are 3 things
1. First house begins in the sign of our rising sign-
Question: What if the client or person we're reading for doesn't know what time they are born?
2.Then it is read month by month.
3.Then we look for aspects in combination with other cards.
Although this is a astrology spread, I think it would be easier to just stick to the spread. But for the advanced astrologers well I'm totally lost when you guys start talking this planet and that house etc, when in conjunction with your birth charts.
As I would like to do this spread for others, but I or they won't all have knowledge of their birth charts..So what do you say guys one step at a time?
lunalafey
Maria-
We have ALL year to study this spread To start, do keep it simple.
Work with the house & the card at first. You can also pick out obvious numerology points like; 3 of Swords in the 3rd house...and that is just one tiny example of all the little strange connections that can be found.
{I'll get into that later after all my houses are up}
Then you can add the influence of the houses sign (your natal house signs) and the Major Arcana cards that are associated later.
Natal chart and progressions..... getting deeper....
I'm sort of at a place like mooncat. I keep looking and seeing and writing.
Once I get my stuff organised and posted you will see how these 'shadow' cards just seem to intensify the results that came from the simple reading draft. It's like a reinforcement of what I read on the surface.
Shadow cards, as I have come to call them, are the Majors that belong to the signs & planets....
but I'm not happy with that lable, any suggestions?
Question: What if the client or person we're reading for doesn't know what time they are born?
Go with the Sun sign if the are male and Moon sign if they are female???
Moongold- Your approach is the most different (to me) and I'm looking at it carefully because of that....It's very interesting and seems to flow nicely.
We have ALL year to study this spread
To start, do keep it simple.Work with the house & the card at first. You can also pick out obvious numerology points like; 3 of Swords in the 3rd house...and that is just one tiny example of all the little strange connections that can be found.
{I'll get into that later after all my houses are up}
Then you can add the influence of the houses sign (your natal house signs) and the Major Arcana cards that are associated later.
Natal chart and progressions..... getting deeper....
I'm sort of at a place like mooncat. I keep looking and seeing and writing.
Once I get my stuff organised and posted you will see how these 'shadow' cards just seem to intensify the results that came from the simple reading draft. It's like a reinforcement of what I read on the surface.
Shadow cards, as I have come to call them, are the Majors that belong to the signs & planets....
but I'm not happy with that lable, any suggestions?
Question: What if the client or person we're reading for doesn't know what time they are born?
Go with the Sun sign if the are male and Moon sign if they are female???
Moongold- Your approach is the most different (to me) and I'm looking at it carefully because of that....It's very interesting and seems to flow nicely.
maria42airam
Thank you all! I really appreciate your responses. I feel quite a bit better already.
I think what I'll do (since I'm starting from scratch here) is to use one of the web-pages that was posted about Houses and the card, to start with as was suggested above, and move through all the Houses like that. Then I can go back and add the sign/ruler into each House, etc. Then I'll feel like I'm making some progress at least!
I think what I'll do (since I'm starting from scratch here) is to use one of the web-pages that was posted about Houses and the card, to start with as was suggested above, and move through all the Houses like that. Then I can go back and add the sign/ruler into each House, etc. Then I'll feel like I'm making some progress at least!
WhiteRaven
Question here....
I'm doing someone else's right now and I've come up with the strangest combo and now quite sure how to interp it.
In the 12th House..(that lovely house that I so much adore..) This person has the following
12th House:
Aquarius - The Star / The Fool / Uranus - The Fool
Now..what the heck is this trying to say? And yes Luna...I'm also looking at it as the start of the person's year when the Sun is in Aquarius.
Any input folks?
No natal influence is envolved.
I'm doing someone else's right now and I've come up with the strangest combo and now quite sure how to interp it.
In the 12th House..(that lovely house that I so much adore..) This person has the following
12th House:
Aquarius - The Star / The Fool / Uranus - The Fool
Now..what the heck is this trying to say? And yes Luna...I'm also looking at it as the start of the person's year when the Sun is in Aquarius.
Any input folks?
No natal influence is envolved.
