Several Sephiroth

ravenest

And that one common model is nature :)


Okay, I am saying that it is the one major innovation kabbalistically of the GD , they came up with it and started it.

That is ... considering what they actually taught about it; we tend to think the Tree is applied 'to' the body, but actually it is applied to the 'spiritual sensorium' .

http://hermetic.com/gdlibrary/the-nature-structure-and-role-of-the-soul/the-sphere-of-sensation.html


Now ... here is a question I would like to pose .... why did Geburah shatter and make qlippoth, actually, forget the qlippoth ... why Geburah and not another, what was the inherent weakness ?
 

Aeon418

Now ... here is a question I would like to pose .... why did Geburah shatter and make qlippoth, actually, forget the qlippoth ... why Geburah and not another, what was the inherent weakness ?

Geburah? I thought it was Da'ath that shattered and that in turn blew the other bulbs on the Tree. Or are we talking about a different tradition here?
 

ravenest

I dont know. I am talking about the tradition of 'heretical / ecstatic ' Kabbalah that was the influence into the modern Hermetic Tradition.

Urrrghhh .... I am going to have to look up that name I forgot aren't I ?

{ Why dont you know what I am thinking about ? :laugh: }
 

ravenest

Lurianic Kabbalah.

It has a term called ‘tikkun’ or ‘tikkun olam’ (repairing the world). When the first divine light pierced into the void that God had withdrawn from to make space for his creation a 'cosmic accident happened' (schebira). When the light began to Geburah ; it was too strong and overwhelming for the vessel it broke . The shells of the vessel dropped into the vast, dark ground of the void.

After the 'Tree recovered' or was 'restored' (parzufim), these ‘shells of clay’ remained within creation (as they fell to the bottom), causing dismay and all evil among living creatures. But they also contained tiny pearl-like fragments of the divine light. Man’s role in creation was to collect the invisible pearls of divine light . These fragments could hide anywhere and many Kabbalists began to assume all of the created physical world as an expression of these qlippothic shells. The act through which man could ‘repair the world’ is to treat everything s/he encounters with empathy, devotion and respect and this is what Lurianic Kabbalists came to know as tikkun.

This idea supposedly generated Sabbatean Kabbala, a root source of the western tradition (via Jacob Frank ,' Frankish groups', The Order of the Asian Brethren (and Frates Lucre, or Hermetic Brotherhood of Light) , obscure RC Freemasonry, GD - and via a split of OAB (during secret pre WWI British intelligence movements) into Egypt and the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, 'pre-India' Blavatsky / Theosophy, into the OTO type streams of Crowley (as well as the GD Masonic streams.)

That tradition.
 

Aeon418

Lurianic Kabbalah.
Yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about. :)

It has a term called ‘tikkun’ or ‘tikkun olam’ (repairing the world). When the first divine light pierced into the void that God had withdrawn from to make space for his creation a 'cosmic accident happened' (schebira).
I'm familiar with the Lurianic concepts of Tzimtzum (constriction), Shevirat HaKelim (shattering of the vessels), and Tikkun (repair). But as far as I know the only one that has anything to do with Geburah is Tzimtzum. But even then it's not a specific reference to the sephirah of the same name.

In the more common 'expansive' qabalistic model the sephiroth are said to be postive emanations from the Ain Soph. It is the will of deity to manifest itself from nothing into everything. Here we have echoes of Crowley's 0=2 equation. But in the (monotheistic) Lurianic model the divine being is said to have withdrawn himself through an act of Geburah or DIN and created a void in which to create the worlds and the Tree. Everthing within that void is somehow cut off and separate from the divine being and so concepts such as 'exile' and the existence of evil are the result of Geburah/Din. This model is quite attractive to certain Judaic Kabbalists because it ameliorates their natural concern with the pantheism implied by the expansive model. It also provides a reason for the existence of evil while still keeping it separate from an 'all good' God.

When the light began to Geburah ; it was too strong and overwhelming for the vessel it broke . The shells of the vessel dropped into the vast, dark ground of the void.
Have you got a source for this? As far as I know the light is said to fill the supernal sephiroth. Chokmah and Binah were strong enough because of their close connection to Kether. But then Da'ath blew a fuse and took the rest of the Tree with it. Hence the need for tikkun. The notion that it was Geburah is new to me. Although I'm no expert on the subject, so it may be something I've missed.
 

ravenest

I am familiar with tzimtzum but had not read the specific ref to Geburah before :

" One of the most essential elements of Lurianic Kabbalah is a term called ‘tikkun’ or ‘tikkun olam’ (repairing the world). Luria’s idea was that when the first divine light pierced into the void that G'd had withdrawn from to make space for his creation a kind of cosmic accident happened (schebira). The particular accident happened when the light began to fill the fifth sephira of geburah (strength); the related type of light was too strong and overwhelming for the vessel it poured into and thus broke the cosmic vessel. The shells of the vessel dropped into the vast, dark ground of the void."

http://www.theomagica.com/on-the-occult-order-of-the-asiatic-brethren-1 @ 3.1.2.
 

Zephyros

Sounds like it's Geburah's nature to break, it's chief power is disruption. It can't "hold" the light since it doesn't have that capacity. It seems inevitable, as once you start doing something, anything, you blemish the perfection of the void, and Geburah is when real material begins to move. Each idea gains its opposite, the shells. I like it.
 

ravenest

And that one common model is nature :)


Okay, I am saying that it is the one major innovation kabbalistically of the GD , they came up with it and started it.

That is ... considering what they actually taught about it; we tend to think the Tree is applied 'to' the body, but actually it is applied to the 'spiritual sensorium' .

http://hermetic.com/gdlibrary/the-nature-structure-and-role-of-the-soul/the-sphere-of-sensation.html


Hmmm, maybe wrong about that ... a variant source perhaps ? ;

" Now, the Golden Rosy+Cross document which I referred to above, contains also many rituals which we find once again in the Golden Dawn (for instance several versions in Latin and in Hebrew of the Cabalistic Cross Ritual and the Middle Pillar Ritual). So, this document constitutes the proof that the Golden Dawn magical rituals are in fact the developments of those of the German Golden Rosy Cross; but as these latter rituals are still very secret, it is also proof that the founders of the GOLDEN DAWN received a genuine German Rosicrucian transmission..."

http://www.golden-dawn.org/theoriginsofQabalahoftheGoldenDawn.html
 

ravenest

Sounds like it's Geburah's nature to break, it's chief power is disruption. It can't "hold" the light since it doesn't have that capacity. It seems inevitable, as once you start doing something, anything, you blemish the perfection of the void, and Geburah is when real material begins to move. Each idea gains its opposite, the shells. I like it.

Which implies the Tree and the vessels were already created before the light flowed into them ? (I had thought they were created when that happened out of a 'necessity' and that they were generated by a 'natural process' bought about by the flow and differentiation of the Light.)

Aeon's comment seems to support your idea; " the divine being is said to have withdrawn himself through an act of Geburah or DIN and created a void in which to create the worlds and the Tree."

- although more confusing to me ( Geburah existed before the creation of the Tree ? - how come ? Or does the Tree not exist until the light flows through the 'worlds' that have already been created without the light :confused:

OI ! I need to talk to a Rabbi !

(No one around here is into it - Jewish friend knows nothing of 'that stuff' - and is spooked by me, and a local Jewish woman who was 'studying under a Rabbi' seemed really unaware of the basics.)
 

ravenest

Man ... those Sabbatian Kabbalists were a WILD bunch !

All that woman worshipping !


The final and complete revelation of Frankism amounts to the true incarnation of the divine Maiden in a true human maiden: Eve Frank (Frank’s daughter, ed. Acher). (…) From the very outset, Frank presented her as a semidivine being and a future leader of the group (…). Wherever she appeared, she was accompanied by a cortege of the daughters of prominent Frankists, who were trained to attend to all her needs. (…) The Frankist dicta give detailed directions of the way an initiate should behave in order to be ‘worthy to come to the Maiden’: he should come dressed in white and fall on his face without raising his eyes toward her, then kiss her feet, then stand up with his hands folded without looking at her, and then slowly look at her but without looking her directly in the face. Finally, he will be allowed to kiss her hand; she will address him as ‘brother’ and ask about his dearest wish, to which he will answer with a phrase from the Son of Songs 5:2, ‘Open to me, my sister, my love!’
— Macieko, p.177

Clearly the welcoming of the ‘Maiden’ was staged by Frank rather as a mystical vision than a royal rite. However, we know from an authentic source, a visitor to the Frankist court in its final stages in 1798 - i.e. more than thirty years after Frank had initiated this cult and seven years after his own death - that precisely this ritual was still performed when approaching Eve Frank. Finally, we should mention as well that of course Frank developed a related doctrine stating that he himself was both the father and (allegorical or not) husband of his daughter Eve, the true messiah (Macieko, p.178f).

The Frankists’ life in Offenbach began at once to follow a strict regime. No one had free access to the castle. Heavy curtains covered the windows. A section of the castle was turned into an alchemical laboratory, where mysterious experiments took place. The yard in front of the building became a parade ground on which military manoeuvres were executed; every day young Frankists could be seen training with weapons. On the rare occasion when someone from outside of the sect was permitted to enter the castle, he would be escorted to a guarded room, where Frank, always accompanied by an interpreter, sat on an ottoman smoking a water pipe. (…)

Offenbach has changed into some kind of a magical tale. (…) A mystical nation wanders the streets in strange, colourful clothes, old men with long beards, wearing purple, green, and yellow robes, young beautiful boys in gold, one half of the leggings green, the other in yellow or red. They ride horses with silver bells on their necks; in the evenings they play guitars and flutes under the window of their beloved. (…) A prince at the head of these people, with silver beard and long white robes, rests on luxurious carpets and pillows in front of the gates of his castle, surrounded by his court. Each person wears the emblem of his function and status.

http://www.theomagica.com/on-the-occult-order-of-the-asiatic-brethren-2