The Queen of Pentacles is haunting me! Help!

TheWorkingGirl

So a little background. I’m not a prostitute per se, more of a high end escort with a very select client list, in a nice city with lots of very select clients (It's legal here). Some people call it a courtesan, but basically I’m a hooker. I love it.

Anyway, I digress.

Point is I have a “special” client, totally falling for him. It’s mutual and the sexual chemistry is out of control. Though recently we've been having some unrelated issues.

How does this relate to tarot? I’ve done a few readings on special guy, how special guy feels toward me, etc. And I get the queen of pentacles a lot. Like, really a lot. It’s persisted for a bit now. I often try to gloss over her, but she just keeps coming back. Clearly the tarot is insisting on telling me something, but I have no idea what.

In case my preamble didn’t make it obvious enough, nobody is going to see me as a homebody nurturing type. Many countries, many lovers, a few secrets (but not from special guy, uniquely).

She seems like the exact opposite of me. I’ve seen her described as:

- A warm, generous and unselfish person (I literally take his money)

- She gives freely and abundantly (Again, take his money)

- Practical, hard-working and likes security (Maybe the security part makes sense? We have discussed me buying a home and supporting family. And I do have a reasonable looking day job. But I don’t know if I would go so far as to say practical and hard working. But maybe?)

- Traditional and marriage material (Traditional, LMFAO. Marriage, well maybe, it’s been discussed.)

- Calm (No. Definitely no.)

I read with reversals, and she’s occasionally reversed, though far more often upright. Also, I’m not an earth sign.

So what on earth could the queen of pentacles be representing? I don’t see it as a highly sexual card, but I could be wrong? Am I missing something here?

The only thing I can think that might be tangentially relevant is that he often shows up as the king of pentacles — perfect description of him. Though readers usually pin him as the Emperor.

I would expect to be the queen of wands, but she never shows up. Oddly I do get the Hierophant in readings quite frequently.

It’s like a joke. Unless the tarot has a sense of humor, what am I missing here?
 

IndigoWaves

TheWorkingGirl said:
Some people call it a courtesan, but basically I’m a hooker.
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This notion was actually popping into my head as I worked on your earlier reading, but I just kept brushing it off. Thanks for the info. :)

The Queen of Pentacles' focus is on material things, including the body and its range of sensations... Building a career on physicality could thus be seen as killing two birds with one stone, appealing to her practical nature. She also seeks to do things well, ideally achieving perfection, and to be appreciated for the skill and experience involved in whatever she does. So, yes, I would see this card as encompassing notable aspects of yourself quite nicely.
 

Thirteen

Queen/Pents is your signifier

Yep. If there is a card for courtesan—i.e. someone who "Loves" being a select, and upscale "hooker," it's the Queen/Pents. She loves sex, she loves her body and takes good care of it, she loves getting dressed up and looking beautiful, she loves the luxuries and good things in life, and loves being in control of how she makes her money, how she spends it, and how she manages it.

There's no mystery there. This card, WorkingGirl, is your avatar, and the tarot simply wants you to know that. If she pops up in a reading, you can read her as standing for you. She is, in short, your signifier.
 

MandMaud

TheWorkingGirl said:
In case my preamble didn’t make it obvious enough, nobody is going to see me as a homebody nurturing type. Many countries, many lovers, a few secrets (but not from special guy, uniquely).

She seems like the exact opposite of me. I’ve seen her described as:

- A warm, generous and unselfish person (I literally take his money)

- She gives freely and abundantly (Again, take his money)

- Practical, hard-working and likes security (Maybe the security part makes sense? We have discussed me buying a home and supporting family. And I do have a reasonable looking day job. But I don’t know if I would go so far as to say practical and hard working. But maybe?)

- Traditional and marriage material (Traditional, LMFAO. Marriage, well maybe, it’s been discussed.)

- Calm (No. Definitely no.)

I read with reversals, and she’s occasionally reversed, though far more often upright. Also, I’m not an earth sign.

So what on earth could the queen of pentacles be representing? I don’t see it as a highly sexual card, but I could be wrong? Am I missing something here?
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Remember you're asking how he feels about you, not how you actually are. :) He may well see you as motherly and/or "secure", as in he feels safe with you (maybe sharing feelings or just respecting confidentiality... he trusts you to spend his money, if nothing else). You may even remind him of his mother in some way, something as banal as your colouring or your voice or your favourite necklace.

Maybe he believes you have more money sense - rather than giving money. He likes you to spend it because you have better judgment? Perhaps you're great at choosing which restaurant, or he likes the clothes you opt for.

Of course the physicality, sensual more than sexual (or at least as much as). The aesthetic delight of being with a beautiful woman. Slow, trusting, generous sex rather than the fiery, imaginative kind. Back rubs. As Amanda says in that post she linked to, this woman has mastered the body (hers, and his, both :D) and gets the most out of it.

Do you go to galleries or museums together? That kind of thing?

Maybe you make him feel pampered, spoilt, indulgent.

Maybe he likes your breasts best? ;)

Alternatively - or also, they aren't mutually incompatible - maybe he secretly would like you to mother his children?

My feeling about this Queen is that she loves to enjoy, and loves to provide. Whether that's money or other material things, being a great cook, or giving cuddles and solace, she acts to comfort rather that offering wordy counselling. She is the mundane counterpart of the Empress... pleasure, abundance, etc, and productivity. Of course "productivity" can also mean he sees the relationship as leading to more. :?:

I'm not fully sure of any of this but drawing on all my thoughts around the Queen of Pents. Earth needn't mean an earth sign at all. Oh, I've thought of one more - physically healthy - strong as an ox!
 

MandMaud

Of course it could be that he's only in it for the sex.
 

TheWorkingGirl

IndigoWaves said:
This notion was actually popping into my head as I worked on your earlier reading, but I just kept brushing it off. Thanks for the info. :)

The Queen of Pentacles' focus is on material things, including the body and its range of sensations... Building a career on physicality could thus be seen as killing two birds with one stone, appealing to her practical nature. She also seeks to do things well, ideally achieving perfection, and to be appreciated for the skill and experience involved in whatever she does. So, yes, I would see this card as encompassing notable aspects of yourself quite nicely.
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Really interesting and insightful that you managed to see that without the background info. I figured I would leave it out in the context of a larger reading that focused on the relationship aspect, as it didn't seem relevant. But now it makes a bit more sense, if she's literally just me then when she comes up reversed perhaps that just means he's feeling less in tune with me? And when she's upright he's feeling positive about me as he sees me?

Building on your career comments I do have a moderately respectable day job that involves software and contracts for fairly substantial amounts of money. So perhaps she reflects that my life really just involves dealing with money and people see that as a more notably trait than I thought.

And she is holding on to that pentacle. So maybe he sees me as seeking out money and holding on to it.

But like you said she's all about skill, dependability, stability, seeking perfection, practicality, and building a home at least in some sense. I'm more of a cliche fire sign. Crazy, often change jobs, change countries, up for most things, like to go out rather than stay in, happy to chat with interesting people, happy to try new things on a whim. QP is a planner, a nester, I see her as a woman who will have deep and meaningful interactions with a select few, but not someone who naturally seeks out others, is good with new people (but she might cook for them if her husband invited them over), or tries to shake things up. QP likes dates number 5 - infinity, but thinks "ooph" when considering a first or second date. Or so I think, but again I could be seeing her completely wrong.

So I would think he would see me as the Queen of Wands. I mean, I'm totally the Queen of Wands right? Unless perhaps he feels that down the road we will be stable together, build a home, rely on one another, and generally be there for one another no matter what other craziness we bring into the mix. Which I suppose was and possibly still is a general feeling/expectation between us.

One thing that may be notable, unless I'm reading too optimistically into it, is that when I do readings on what is going on around him if he's out with another woman she's almost without fail represented by QW. Which of course I like to see as a flash and spark of sexuality and fun without much depth. And that's about the only time she shows up. So perhaps the tarot is just trying to show me the difference between how he sees our relationship vs the other people we enjoy in our lives. But she also represents fertility so...

(he's cool with me reading on him btw)

Thank you for all of your insight! This does give me a substantially different view of her.
 

TheWorkingGirl

Thirteen said:
Yep. If there is a card for courtesan—i.e. someone who "Loves" being a select, and upscale "hooker," it's the Queen/Pents. She loves sex, she loves her body and takes good care of it, she loves getting dressed up and looking beautiful, she loves the luxuries and good things in life, and loves being in control of how she makes her money, how she spends it, and how she manages it.

There's no mystery there. This card, WorkingGirl, is your avatar, and the tarot simply wants you to know that. If she pops up in a reading, you can read her as standing for you. She is, in short, your signifier.
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It seems there is consensus! I've definitely been looking at her all wrong. I'm still not sure how her sexuality differs from the Queen of Wands, and why she would fit a courtesan, or at least me, better than the Queen of Wands.

But it does seem that at least on some level she is just a reflection of me directly. Or at least in the readings involving special guy. In which case, I think I said this in response to Amanda earlier, but if that's the case then when she turns up reversed I would suspect that it's showing me that he doesn't feel as connected to me.

Thank you! I think I'm piecing this together. Love your comment about her being my "Avatar', lol.
 

TheWorkingGirl

Thank you, thank you, thank you

MandMaud said:
Remember you're asking how he feels about you, not how you actually are. :)
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Good point!

MandMaud said:
He may well see you as motherly and/or "secure", as in he feels safe with you (maybe sharing feelings or just respecting confidentiality... he trusts you to spend his money, if nothing else).
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I do feel a lot guys are inherently more trusting in this kind of situation. Paying gives them a sense of control, confidentiality, and they don't have to worry about being rejected. So they open up more than my "normal" dates, and when that's met with positivity it probably does create a secure feeling. And Special Guy in particular has made a point of sharing *everything*. Like, really everything. Wow. Passwords, access to his surveillance system (because why not?!), money, house keys, obviously physical things he might keep close to the vest in other situations, etc. He wants zero secrets, and clearly isn't bothered about privacy. You nailed it.

MandMaud said:
You may even remind him of his mother in some way, something as banal as your colouring or your voice or your favourite necklace.
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Good to know. I'll keep and eye on this if we go forward.

MandMaud said:
Maybe he believes you have more money sense - rather than giving money. He likes you to spend it because you have better judgment? Perhaps you're great at choosing which restaurant, or he likes the clothes you opt for.
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Again, you are dead on! He likes to make money, or rather he likes his job which invariably brings in money. He isn't as interested in spending for his own sake. And he is happy for me to make the daily decisions when I want to, he wants thrill and spark, and it's hard to get that when you do the planning. And he is interested in what I wear. I've never tried but I suspect he would be disappointed with a repeat outfit or flat shoes when we go out.

MandMaud said:
Of course the physicality, sensual more than sexual (or at least as much as). The aesthetic delight of being with a beautiful woman. Slow, trusting, generous sex rather than the fiery, imaginative kind. Back rubs. As Amanda says in that post she linked to, this woman has mastered the body (hers, and his, both :D) and gets the most out of it.

Maybe you make him feel pampered, spoilt, indulgent.
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You do seem to be in consensus with everyone else on this. I stand corrected. That homely Queen of Pents apparently represents a very sexual woman as well. However I would say it's still more Queen of Wands sex. Fire and imagination. Variety. Always variety. I am the back rub type, but unlike with other people it rarely comes up with him. Yet I almost never get Queen of Wands, she's almost conspicuous in her absence.

MandMaud said:
Maybe he likes your breasts best? ;)
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Valid point, but don't most guys ;-)

MandMaud said:
Alternatively - or also, they aren't mutually incompatible - maybe he secretly would like you to mother his children?
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Good catch. This has also come up several times. He would like to have kids and we've discussed it a bit. I'm less keen than he is, but open to it.

MandMaud said:
My feeling about this Queen is that she loves to enjoy, and loves to provide. Whether that's money or other material things, being a great cook, or giving cuddles and solace, she acts to comfort rather that offering wordy counselling. She is the mundane counterpart of the Empress... pleasure, abundance, etc, and productivity. Of course "productivity" can also mean he sees the relationship as leading to more. :?:
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This is a great interpretation of the homely nature of QP that makes her a lot more relatable!

It does seem fitting to consider her in the context of showing a relationship leading to more.

I don't know enough about the Empress to understand the idea of QP being her mundane counterpart. I would be curious to look into this more. Particularly as he is often represented by the Emperor.

Thank you so much for such a detailed and well considered response! You have all really helped me shape my understanding of this card and what it could indicate in different spreads.
 
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