a hex, and this hurting world

[fractalgranny]

My comment presently - is in some traditions plastering a spell around publicly - diminishes it's power.

And ahh - if I were waiting to see whether Trump would soon be my President I might be sorely tempted to devise some kind of spellwork myself. Lol.
Though I mostly slap my wrist against such ideas, and dwell more on the "self-development" and "good of all" stuff.

The anti EU vote on my side - seems to have given racists permission to speak louder about their beliefs around here. Hmn.
And it remains to be seen how the new cabinet will function now.

well, i've come to realize that this is more about me learning about this than about people getting harmed, so maybe it's a good thing this was done in public

 

[fractalgranny]

i've posted the reading about this and my meandery musings about it here

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=4752279#post4752279

 

[re-pete-a]

well, i've come to realize that this is more about me learning about this than about people getting harmed, so maybe it's a good thing this was done in public

I feel the underlying lesson in this may be in forgiving yourself for the infraction...rather than justifying or nulling it's effects....

 

[Tanga]

well, i've come to realize that this is more about me learning about this than about people getting harmed, so maybe it's a good thing this was done in public

Well Alright! A Facebook mirror.

 

[prudence]

thanks for your thoughts.

it's a hex in the sense that i am wishing something on someone without their consent, and something that they would not wish. that's not a good idea at all. now that i think of it, it appears that i need to work on adding to/changing it. what if someone wished on me that i, say, make a large donation of money to a religious organization that expressly forbids the ordination of women? that would be an equivalent.

this all comes out of the deep sorrow for what is happening in our world. for me, staying apolitical is not the answer and praying for peace is not enough, at least not the way i do it. but i feel lonely in this as a pagan-christian-buddhist. sigh. maybe i should see what starhawk is up to, or other people of that ilk.

is this about differing different points of view? i don't know. is stoning women who have been raped about different points of view? one person thinks it's ok, the other thinks it's not? it seems to me that some of what's going on is on a similar level. as bishop desmond tutu said, "if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. if an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."

is this just history repeating itself? my parents went through the nazi times ... yes, of course, part of me was hoping that by moving to canada i would escape all of this. but here we are. it really appears to me that we are on the brink of something very large. one politician said the other day that they would not hesitate to detonate a nuclear bomb. this horrifies me. what is happening with climate change deeply, deeply disturbs me. the fact that so many politicians have no problem going against solid scientific findings scares me. but i can't stay with that fear ...

ok. so. i will apologize for that hex and work on changing it. and i need to find ways to deal with my fear and sorrow ...

I think you're being hard on yourself, this doesn't even seem like a hex at all, and it has a very love-based foundation.

I practice hoodoo so my own boundaries are very different from what has been expressed here by many of the members who've basically said what a lot of new pagan/Wiccan texts express, that it all comes back onto you if you do this. There are so many magical/spiritual practices in this world that do not in any way adhere to a 3 fold law or the idea that what you send out comes back to you, and in the end you're punished for using what skills you have to make a stand in your life. Everyone here may not be a practitioner of new age magic, and so we don't simply send love when what is clearly called for is something completely different.

FractalGranny, you mentioned Starhawk, have you heard of Z. Budapest? I'd bet Z is not one to tie her hands on an issue like this, but she has taken some flak for her practices from the New Age witch community.

Sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. And using magic is obviously not nearly as harmful as using physical violence. Some situations call for measures that are outside of our normal behaviors, I think what you did was perfectly fine and fairly tame.

 

[re-pete-a]

How you honestly feel personally about what you did/done tells the real story...It's you that needs to live and be at peace with you...

 

[Padma]

Sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. And using magic is obviously not nearly as harmful as using physical violence. Some situations call for measures that are outside of our normal behaviors, I think what you did was perfectly fine and fairly tame.

Well, there is that to be said, too.

 

[fractalgranny]

thanks, love all these different opinions.

@re-pete-a - yeah, i feel the same way, re how i feel about the whole thing. i don't feel super guilty, actually don't feel i'm being hard on myself, just obviously some sort of chord was struck, and now i'm learning!

@prudence - thank you so much for bringing more perspectives! i don't think what i did was called for but i still think that sometimes extreme situations call for extreme measures. thanks for reminding me of Z. budapest! i should go look at some of her stuff for this. i have quite a soft sport for her

 

[suk]

my take is probably a bit different - i want to focus both on myself and on others. richard rohr's "action and contemplation" https://cac.org/about-cac/missionvision/ is a good example of that in christian circles, or engaged buddhism http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-...l-network-of-engaged-buddhists_b_1728546.html or, as i mentioned, starhawk is a good example of that in the pagan world http://starhawk.org/about/biography/

Thanks for the interesting links! I guess I should clarify my position, because I didn't mean that spirituality has nothing to contribute to the world we live in. My ideas are quite contrary to that. My meaning was only based on doing magic, or any kind of 'spiritual interaction' (all interaction basically) with other people. Any time you feel you should do something iffy (like a hex), it helps immeasurably to try to shift the focus on yourself in some way.

The reasoning is simple; you can't be responsible for anyone or anything else except yourself. It's a bit weird (in my view) to assume that you are personally responsible for delivering justice to the world. Which is why the Rede says, 'Harm none'. It's obvious, but difficult, because we tend to get caught in egoistic traps that make us imagine that it's justified.

Another aspect that comes into it is whether there is a Divine reason for everything that happens. If you feel that on any level, as I think most spiritual people do, then you would welcome even societal upheaval (Trump becoming President) for the important lessons it has to teach the world. I'm not saying that we have to all remain passive observers, but it's kind of important to recognise what we can and can't control.

And then there is the idea that there is already enough hateful stuff in the world right now; can we use magic to practice tolerance (even of President Trump)?